Remington 11-87 Premier for trap

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Well, I would like to get into some trap shooting this year and need a new gun! :D The cheap and light break action single shot that I was using was really getting to be a pain in the shoulder after 50 shells! Thought I would go "cheap" and just get a Remington 870 pump but was told an autoloader would be better. Does an auto really reduce recoil that much? Considering the Remington 11-87 Premier as it seems to be the best bang for the buck versus other brands of autoloaders. Should I get the 28" or 30" barrel? What choke tubes do I need?

I would like to use the same gun down the road for skeet and maybe some hunting too.

Your help and opinions are greatly appreciated!


Fudd
 
Well I'm a real Remington fan and I think your choice of Premier is right on. I like the 28" barrel for all around shooting such as Sporting ,Skeet, Trap and hunting. Modified choke is a good bet for Trap and hunting as well as some Sporting shots. IC will fill the bill in Skeet and about 80% of Sporting. IC also works great on Ruffed Grouse.The 3" capability is great when using steel on Ducks and Geese. I own a 1100 as well as a Premier, both good shooters.
 
Virtually any shotgun can be used for any of those activities. Having said that, virtually any shotgun is better suited to some purposes than others.

An 11-87 is a good choice for trap. You can use it for other types of clays, too. And you could use it for hunting. You'll probably find it more suited to waterfowl than upland, though.

If you're like most of us, you start out thinking this is kinda fun, but you can't see yourself spending more than a couple of thousand a year on it. It's a bit like cars. At first it's just fun to drive and the ease of transportation aspect is a big bonus. But it doesn't take long before you see much more expensive cars that you really would like to own. Soon, you're out shopping for a bike or a sports car.

Shotguns are a similar proposition. At first, you don't even know what all your choices are, or the reasons why one might be better than another. As the years go by, you start to learn which target games you like and/or what kind of hunting you enjoy. By then you've become familiar with different types of shotuns (pump, auto, O/U, SXS, etc.) and the vast differences between different makes and models even within a given type. And, you become sensitive to the importance of fitting the gun to yourself, patterning different loads and chokes, barrel configurations, and such.

What I'm trying to tell you is that an 11-87 is a great starting point. It's not easy, because the gun shops won't likely let you take guns out to try before you buy. But, most shooters will let you take a few shots with their guns and this is a good way to get a feel for what suits you. Keep in mind, though, that the guns you may try and like at the range probably won't be your favorites in the field. The advice that you get from members here must always be taken in the context that they're telling you what works for them. If you're a big guy and the guy giving the advice is much smaller than you, his choices might not work for you at all.

Try as many guns as you can BEFORE you go out and lay your money down. I know it's hard, once you've made the decision to go out and buy a gun, to sit tight and keep the bucks in your pocket - especially if they might get spent on something else in the meantime. But, you should be able to tell me what gun you need and why, rather than rely on the advice of strangers. This isn't like "What is the best brand of TV to buy" - this is a very personal and individual decision.

My first trap gun was an 11-87 Premier Trap (by coincidence). I saw everybody at the range using O/U's and auto's, so I figured they must be the right choice. I shot about 5 or 6 rounds with the 11-87 and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door with it. Threw it in the cabinet and went out and bought a whole series of other shotguns since. My wife came out to the range with us a year later, used the 11-87 and loved it. No matter what people offer her to try, she still prefers the 11-87. Go figure.

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By the way - yes, gas guns really do reduce the recoil quite significantly (one reason why my wife likes it so much). Barrel length is an asset for smooth tracking of targets in trap, so a 30" is generally considered to be better for that purpose. Choke selection starts to get into that very individualized area. Depending on whether you pound them hard as soon as they leave the house, or whether you tend to wait until they're further out, you may find that you prefer improved cylinder or maybe modified. That's the beauty of removable chokes, you can experiment and change your mind.:D

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The 11-87 is a good choice if you intend to hunt waterfowl with this gun. If it's a clay target/upland gun then I'd suggest you look at the 1100. It's more of a target oriented gun and the 11-87 may not be as reliable with lighter target ammunition.

Gas operated semi-automatics do kick less. My Beretta 391 is softer shooting compared to my over/under. I'm a lot less weary after 200 rounds through my gas gun than my o/u.

But the 11-87 it's a fine choice. I've owned one and it got the job done. I'd suggest modified or tighter for trap, IC or more open for skeet.

You should heed straightshooter's words however. You may find that the first gun you use for clay targets isn't your last or your most expensive. ;)
 
bat said:
Well I'm a real Remington fan and I think your choice of Premier is right on.
Hey thanks! I love it when someone says I'm right! :D

bat said:
The 3" capability is great when using steel on Ducks and Geese.
Is there any type of 3" shell that shouldn't be used in it?


straightshooter said:
If you're like most of us, you start out thinking this is kinda fun, but you can't see yourself spending more than a couple of thousand a year on it.
:eek: Oh no! I thought I could get in it for less than $1000 plus a few hundred for ammo per year! All these gun sports are starting to add up! :rolleyes:

straightshooter said:
Try as many guns as you can BEFORE you go out and lay your money down.
Ya but I wanna buy one now! ;) Before I change my mind and think it is better to save the money or that I need to buy food or something else silly! ;) My head hurts with all this thinking!

One vote for 28" and one for 30". Hmm...

Thanks guys. Very helpful so far.


Fudd
 
I like that post by straightshooter. I generally recommend the same . Try as many shotguns as possible. I shot 1100's and 870's for 25 years before trying an OU. Now my main clays gun is a Beretta 686 Special Sporting. Love that baby but when shooting lots of heavy loads I go back to the Rem. gas guns. I use my 11-87 once in a while for clays to keep in the groove but I mainly have it for hunting. Upland hunting usually requires lots of hiking and those Rem. gas guns sure are heavy. Long story short if you're like the rest of these nutz here you won't stop at one scattergun. As you gain experience and become involved in the mysterious world of wing/clays shooting you WILL buy more guns. I guarantee it.:D :D
 
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