Remington 1100 matched pair 28 gauge and .410

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Hi fellas,

I'm going to see about purchasing these two firearms. The owner tells me that they are in great condition (used but not abused). They were made in 1969 and they were used for skeet only. Can anyone tell me what the estimated value would be? And if there are any characteristic flaws or issues I should look out for prior to purchasing. Let's say it's been well used, what would need fixing/replacing or special care?

Thanks,

Birdbuff
 
1100's are a bullet proof platform. Being that these were target guns it is possible that they have 5,000 to 10,000 or more rounds through them. The usual stuff could need attention. Action springs, gas seals, locking blocks, various buffers, extractors the list goes on. I doubt they have recoil pads but if so pads from that era are probably getting hard and need replacement. Action bars and sleeve are less likely to need attention. It is hard to give an estimate but beat up field grade 1100 12 gauges seem to be offered for about 500.00 most days in the EE. That's OFFERED I don't know what they actually sell for. With the little info you gave I would guess 1000.00 would be my price for the pair.

Darryl
 
One has to see them to be accurate.
Do they have the standard grade wood or high grade they came with both
Is the original green hardcase Included or not, paper work etc. Do they still have their mag tube weights on them do the matched pair numbers MATCH??? many donot any more
I have two sets but have to see them. They normally range in price from $1500 - $2000 pending how complete they are, grade and condition
Even very well used should still bring $1200 min but again have to see them
What is he asking for them????
Also check the stock LOP many were cut over the years for youth shooting which kills the value
One of mine with the better wood
Cheers


Case looks like this and they are standard grade
 
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madtrapper143 said:
1100's are a bullet proof platform. Being that these were target guns it is possible that they have 5,000 to 10,000 or more rounds through them. The usual stuff could need attention. Action springs, gas seals, locking blocks, various buffers, extractors the list goes on. I doubt they have recoil pads but if so pads from that era are probably getting hard and need replacement. Action bars and sleeve are less likely to need attention. It is hard to give an estimate but beat up field grade 1100 12 gauges seem to be offered for about 500.00 most days in the EE. That's OFFERED I don't know what they actually sell for. With the little info you gave I would guess 1000.00 would be my price for the pair.

Darryl
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One of the 1100 28ga skeet I have here that I bought when they first came out has well over 100,000 rounds probally closer to 150 and she still has the original O-ring as far as I can remember :)and all her own parts except I cracked the bolt assembly and changed it before it totally split
I found the small gauge 1100's pretty much bullet proof I agree but that being said the 12ga I carried a box of parts with me and a second gun ;) for when it broke something and it normally would eventually
Cheers
 
Isn't that the truth?! With the 12 gauge you pretty much carried another complete gun because it always seemed something would need replacing half way through a shoot. My tournament grade trap had an issue with snapping bolt forks every 2500 or so rounds. However once I gave it to the Remington gunsmiths at the Grand American to go over it I never had to replace another fork or any parts again and I sold it three seasons later. They rebuilt the entire gun from end to end for $19. The best thing I ever did with it next to dropping a Timney trigger into it. It had well over 100,000 rounds through it between myself and the previous owner by the time I sold it.
 
Remington 12 gauge 1100's used for hunting will last forever with only 200 to 300 rounds a years fired at the most. The failures mentioned are in relation to tens of thousands of rounds fired at targets. I don't want the lurking 1100 hater crowd running away with the idea the guns routinely broke parts. Got to love the Remington 1100 in all gauges.

Darryl
 
madtrapper143 said:
Remington 12 gauge 1100's used for hunting will last forever with only 200 to 300 rounds a years fired at the most. The failures mentioned are in relation to tens of thousands of rounds fired at targets. I don't want the lurking 1100 hater crowd running away with the idea the guns routinely broke parts. Got to love the Remington 1100 in all gauges.

Darryl
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Agree Darryl my apologies I should have clarified that. many of my skeet 1100's would see a min of 5000 a year and some years probally 3x to 4x that
One thing for sure was regardless what it broke I could fix it right there in like 15 minutes but for some reason it always seemed to happen on station 8 when I would find that extra shell in my pocket. Just to have me almost or miss the last bird :(
Cheers
 
FLHTCUI said:
The blue one is worth more than the white one....
$700.00 is more than I would pay.....
But, the market is going to change soon too.
Rob
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How do you see the market changing going forward? Less or more demand? Prices up or down? Change in demand for older models? Etc. I have read a few articles that have mentioned the demand for side by sides and vintage guns will drop going forward as new generations in the sport do not have the same interests. Just curious.
 
VictoryXC said:
How do you see the market changing going forward? Less or more demand? Prices up or down? Change in demand for older models? Etc. I have read a few articles that have mentioned the demand for side by sides and vintage guns will drop going forward as new generations in the sport do not have the same interests. Just curious.
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IMHO, the older classic, well made guns will go up in price over the next few years. Most of the classics have weak points, but parts are readily available and in some cases are improved over the original design. If you compare these types of guns to what the new market is offering, they are a huge bargain. The wear out point on an 1100 is a cracked mag tube, which occurs around 250,000 shots.

Here is a link to the 1100 Notes, which is pretty comprehensive information package about the 1100.

http://www.trapshooters.com/remington_1100_notes.pdf
 
I'd like to know what the wear out point on a Model 12 would be? There is a fellow I used to shoot with who bought his new in 1963 or '64 , an original trap model with free floating 3-pin duckbill rib. He shot it up until 2004. Every year!! He figures he has put close to 1 million rounds through it. He shot upwards of 20,000 rounds/season for all those years. He said he had to change a forend. The forend split in half after the gun was knocked over in a gun rack, no fault of mfg. From use he changed the slide which cracked. He changed 3 firing pins and had to do an adjustment to the take-down assembly and a head respacing along with a reblue. Thecgun was still going strong when he retired it and went to a single shot.
 
Biggest enemy of a model 12 is taking it down too much. Causes wear to the take down points and after awhile you run out of adjustment in the barrel draw assembly. I have seen 12's neglected that allowed bolt droop and with continued shooting causes the lock up recess in the receiver top to batter out of speck. They will run a long time but they need common sense operation and care like any other gun.

Darryl
 
Well, I picked them up. They're in good shape. Some minor dings in the wood, and 3 small areas that the bluing is starting to wear. The white bead on the 410 is missing. No case or weights with them. The numbers match, both are # 255. I'm going to give them a good clean and off to the range for some fun this weekend.

Birdbuff
 
birdbuff said:
Well, I picked them up. They're in good shape. Some minor dings in the wood, and 3 small areas that the bluing is starting to wear. The white bead on the 410 is missing. No case or weights with them. The numbers match, both are # 255. I'm going to give them a good clean and off to the range for some fun this weekend.

Birdbuff
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You asked about price....it only seems right to fess up...
 
birdbuff said:
Well, I picked them up. They're in good shape. Some minor dings in the wood, and 3 small areas that the bluing is starting to wear. The white bead on the 410 is missing. No case or weights with them. The numbers match, both are # 255. I'm going to give them a good clean and off to the range for some fun this weekend.

Birdbuff
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Congrats. They are nice guns to shoot. No weights will drop the price 150-200 on the pair. No case maybe 100 bucks but not many care about the case other than those buying them as low round or new collectors but most shooters want the weights since they sure helped with the swing on these little guns
Hard to find now but some times they do show on gun broker
Also something tells me Numrich sells repo ones which looks close enough and work the same for shooters
Cheers
 
VictoryXC said:
How do you see the market changing going forward? Less or more demand? Prices up or down? Change in demand for older models? Etc. I have read a few articles that have mentioned the demand for side by sides and vintage guns will drop going forward as new generations in the sport do not have the same interests. Just curious.
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If I knew the answer to your question I would have stocked up (hoarded) on the Red ones....
The times are a changing I tell you.
To the OP, without pictures your added information is useless ;)
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
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