Remington 700 7mm

noneck180 said:
It's amazing how many people don't know how far a mile is, not that it's a bad thing. 2 quarters sections..
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Whenever I am out shooting or even just walking around out in the boonies,I seem to have a habit of pacing distances off for some reason.One thing that always surprises me is how often it is very easy to either overestimate or underestimate the distance from one spot to another one.One thing I know for sure,a distance of say 500 yards,is farther out than most people realise,especially when it comes to shooting.
 
bjmurata said:
Whenever I am out shooting or even just walking around out in the boonies,I seem to have a habit of pacing distances off for some reason.One thing that always surprises me is how often it is very easy to either overestimate or underestimate the distance from one spot to another one.One thing I know for sure,a distance of say 500 yards,is farther out than most people realise,especially when it comes to shooting.
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True Dat..
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
IF you use that distance you will screw yourself eventually, as I did many years ago. Lost a huge buck with my "knowing" a 1/4 was 440 yards, up until I under shot him significantly and then laser ranged the distance.
A 1/4 normal square shaped section is 1 HALF a mile by 1 HALF a mile square or 880 yards from fence line to fence line.

OP Either caliber will easily kill anything on this continent at much further than 300 yards, the 7 Rem Mag may have a slight advantage at long range, but bullet placement is the biggest factor.
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You are correct sir, I have gotten into the habit of calling the sections where I hunt quarter sections when they are actually 80 acres. My point is that I am often presented 400 plus yard shots, I will only take these under excellent conditions however. But at least I have that option.
 
Both calibers will shoot 1000yds. If you know the exact distance and know the trajectory of your bullet both calibers are capable of making the shot. If you are guesstimating then there is no guarantees with either caliber.
 
skhunter said:
Both calibers will shoot 1000yds. If you know the exact distance and know the trajectory of your bullet both calibers are capable of making the shot. If you are guesstimating then there is no guarantees with either caliber.
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At that distance wind is the real enemy, but it gets real annoying long before that. Sooner with some cartridges than others.
 
When my first Roosevelt elk draw arrived in 1986, I thought I needed something bigger than my .30-06.
Checking out the ballistics of the 7mm did not offer that much more within 300 yards.
The search eventually ended with me looking for a .338 Win Mag. which did not happen so the .30-06 was loaded with 165 grain Nosler Partitions.
They worked but in December the Remington 700 Classic was going to be produced in the .338 Win Mag so I ordered one.
In 1987, a second Roosevelt Elk draw arrived in the mail, and the .338 harvested that bull.
Believing the .30-06 is inadequate and the 7mm RM superior is why there is a continuous buying, selling and trading of rifles.
When I bought the .30-06 in 1965, the 7mm RM was available but at that time the availability of bullets favoured the .30-06.
The .30-06 was given to my son, and a .280 Remington has replaced it which is about the same distance below from the .30-06 as the 7mm RM might be above.
Checking my .280 load versus the 7mm RM, with 10 more grains of IMR7828 SSC the 7mm RM has 100 more FPS.

My 3 cents as $0.02 rounded down ain't worth nothing!
 
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1. Wind is the Devil long before 1000yrd.
2. "Magnum" in the title guarantees nothing.

We have an annual shoot in Wainwright called "Master of the Pasture". The targets were 4L milks jugs filled with Water and food coloring and placed out to and including 900M. I ran it with a NO EXCUSES format...that is: bring what you need to make the shot. I saw lead sleds, benches, lasers, all manner of rifle / scope combo, bipods / computer Apps and lucky rabbits feet. A lot a folks left better educated as to there ability.

Simply owning a particular rifle does not make you a force to be reckoned with. Past 300yrd is range time and load development.
 
In all practicality, for a hunting rifle, there will be no difference between the 30-06 and the 7mm in terms of their ability to bring in your game.

Honestly, if you already had a 30-06, maybe a .243 or a .375 H&H would have made a better second rifle.
 
The easiest & most honest way is to look at ballistics charts. Or check each with a chronograph. My chronographed reloads were as follows. 3006 with 180 grain partition 2740 fps. 7mm mag with 175 grain partition could barely do 2800 fps. The 06 had a 22 inch barrel & the 7mm had a 24 inch barrel. If you factor in the barrel length difference and corrected each for identical weight you would find very little difference. What people think is one thing, facts are another. Do yourself a favour and read the charts. I realize there are differences in every gun but my conclusion was it was senseless to have both. They are both excellent calibers. As others have said, fit is more important. I would never underestimate a 3006 & I would not hesitate to own either.
 
skidderman said:
The easiest & most honest way is to look at ballistics charts. Or check each with a chronograph. My chronographed reloads were as follows. 3006 with 180 grain partition 2740 fps. 7mm mag with 175 grain partition could barely do 2800 fps. The 06 had a 22 inch barrel & the 7mm had a 24 inch barrel. If you factor in the barrel length difference and corrected each for identical weight you would find very little difference. What people think is one thing, facts are another. Do yourself a favour and read the charts. I realize there are differences in every gun but my conclusion was it was senseless to have both. They are both excellent calibers. As others have said, fit is more important. I would never underestimate a 3006 & I would not hesitate to own either.
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May I suggest you review you loading techniques and powder choices......30-06 180gn 2750-2800 fps.......about right. 7mm RM 175gn @ 2800......HHHMMMM...........sounds like preconcluded reloading to me. 24" barrel and IMR 7828 175gn Nosler Part W-W cases CCI 250 Rem 700 factory BDL..............3021 fps. So when we really look at it there is about the same difference between the '06 and 7 Mag as there is between the 308 and the '06. 200 fps is no difference to some people I guess!!
 
Actually do yourself a bigger favor and stay away from charts. ;)

You would feel pretty silly being out shot at long range with a 30-06 or 7mm if your competitor used a .22-250, .223, .243 , .260 , you get the idea.

Again, if it is for game getting there is no difference.

Accuracy and experience trump ballistics every time.

skidderman said:
The easiest & most honest way is to look at ballistics charts. Or check each with a chronograph. My chronographed reloads were as follows. 3006 with 180 grain partition 2740 fps. 7mm mag with 175 grain partition could barely do 2800 fps. The 06 had a 22 inch barrel & the 7mm had a 24 inch barrel. If you factor in the barrel length difference and corrected each for identical weight you would find very little difference. What people think is one thing, facts are another. Do yourself a favour and read the charts. I realize there are differences in every gun but my conclusion was it was senseless to have both. They are both excellent calibers. As others have said, fit is more important. I would never underestimate a 3006 & I would not hesitate to own either.
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