Remington 700 alternatives?
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I like the new Sako... controlled round feed. Lots of better guns for the money than the Remington... almost all of them as a matter of fact.
This thread is the best. All kinds of Remington guys going ballistic... thanks.
This thread is the best. All kinds of Remington guys going ballistic... thanks.
The Remingtons are an industrial product. They are not benchmade by gunmakers. When the first versions were introduced almost 58 years ago, there were revolutionary, from the standard of production technology, performance and price. Over the years they've not changed all that much mechanically, but have become more styled, generally slicker; more options. They work fine out of the box. Like the 10/22, the M305, the AR, they can be tweaked, accessorized and customised. Accuracy is usually good; superb accuracy can be achieved, often with considerable expense and effort. Makes you wonder when someone buys a brand new rifle, breaks it into pieces, and has the action trued up - reamed, faced in and out, rethreaded, bolt nose remachined, collars on the bolt to snug up fit to the receiver, new barrel fitted, new trigger mechanism.
There are a variety of production rifles out there that represent excellent value. Ford, Chevy or Dodge, there will be one that works for you. They are all good. Some folks can convince themselves that their choice is better for them.
There are a variety of production rifles out there that represent excellent value. Ford, Chevy or Dodge, there will be one that works for you. They are all good. Some folks can convince themselves that their choice is better for them.
Personally, I have no dog in this fight as I'll own any firearm regardless of brand name if I liked it well enough. FWIW, my next new rifle will probably be a Tikka or Sako.
Do you actually have first hand knowledge of this to support your claim? What exactly are you trying to suggest here? If the tools and manufacturing techniques were good enough to build quality products years ago, as supported by your comment, "And yeah I would definitely look for an older Rem for a Custom build if I liked the Remington 700 platform.", wouldn't they still be good enough to use today? Even if their machinery is old. So what? That doesn't mean it's incapable of producing consistency or maintain manufacturing tollereances?
Do you actually have first hand knowledge of this to support your claim? What exactly are you trying to suggest here? If the tools and manufacturing techniques were good enough to build quality products years ago, as supported by your comment, "And yeah I would definitely look for an older Rem for a Custom build if I liked the Remington 700 platform.", wouldn't they still be good enough to use today? Even if their machinery is old. So what? That doesn't mean it's incapable of producing consistency or maintain manufacturing tollereances?
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2bad4u2 said:
It is common knowledge... the model 700's are still made exactly the same. Why would they re-tool when they are still making the same model.
Do you have any information that would make me believe otherwise? Or are you just blindly trying to poke holes in my position and argument?
I am only speaking from my own experience when I say that the Q/C is sketchy on many Reminton Products... It is better on the CDL's for sure and I really thought the new 750 was well made too. But I recently heard from the warranty rep that there are problems with them as well. I talk to the Remington Warranty repair guy regularly, he is just down the road from me. His observations are very similar to my own. You can do so yourself if you wish... just P.M. me and I'll give you his addy.
Quality control Issues are Frequent Now on Everything ! Sign of the timesBIGREDD said:I talk to the Remington Warranty repair guy regularly, he is just down the road from me. His observations are very similar to my own. You can do so yourself if you wish... just P.M. me and I'll give you his addy.
Even your Beloved Sako let out a Few Lemons.......such as the Blown Up Barrels Fiasco.....
Remington makes a Decent Rifle and is also the #1 Platform for alot of Custom Rifle builders...is it the Best Rifle out there ? No ! but certainly 1 of the Best for the Dollar
Comparing a Rifle that comes in well under a grand for most models with one that costs nearly double is pretty lame and misses the Theme of the Original question of the thread...
Easy Answer.........Remingtonmr00jimbo said:
I would argue the Q/C is not the same on everything... I work in the industry "Will" and I guarantee you the quality is not the same. The Beretta family of firearms has much better quality overall than the Remingtons... that is a no brainer for people that sell them.
Tikkas are very comparable to Remingtons in price... and the Q/C is much better.
I agree that it is not a fair comparison with the Sako and their relatively high price tag.
Two of my best friends are Remmy-holics... I can't break them either... but I razz them every chance I get.
Tikkas are very comparable to Remingtons in price... and the Q/C is much better.
I agree that it is not a fair comparison with the Sako and their relatively high price tag.
Two of my best friends are Remmy-holics... I can't break them either... but I razz them every chance I get.
Fair enough but I think we can agree Berretta's aren't really in the same Price range eitherBIGREDD said:I would argue the Q/C is not the same on everything... I work in the industry "Will" and I guarantee you the quality is not the same. The Beretta family of firearms has much better quality overall than the Remingtons... that is a no brainer for people that sell them.
Tikkas are very comparable to Remingtons in price... and the Q/C is much better.
I agree that it is not a fair comparison with the Sako and their relatively high price tag.
Two of my best friends are Remmy-holics... I can't break them either... but I razz them every chance I get.
Has Remington Nose dived in quality...maybe but I still stand with what I said in that the "Quality" of everything is seriously lacking...things are made cheaper and quicker to Maximize profits....when they aren't you certainly Pay for it
FWIW: I've purchased 2 Brand new 700's in the last year or so and Was 100% happy with both of them after some Minor tinkering
They certainly Both shoot as well as the last Remmie I bought new some 10 years ago and heck they are Exactly the same, except for the Titanium
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"Beretta family of firearms has much better quality overall" WTF? just for fun i looked at the beretta line up tonight (looking for a shotgun) and then i read this thread so i went back and looked again Beretta doesn't seem to offer a bolt action rifle in Canada so what exactly are you talking about?
if you mean divisions of beretta tat would be like GM taking credit for SAAB or Paul Martin taking credit for the economy it doesn't compute....
if you mean divisions of beretta tat would be like GM taking credit for SAAB or Paul Martin taking credit for the economy it doesn't compute....
Since Beretta owns Tikka and Sako it should be fair to put them in the "Beretta family" The Tikka is a little closer in price to Remington though.
I currently have rifles made by Anschutz, Browning, CZ, Remington, Winchester,Tikka, Kimber, Sig Arms and have had others. There are plusses and minuses to all of them. Personally I like Winchesters, flaws and all. It can't really be that strong of a preference though.
I currently have rifles made by Anschutz, Browning, CZ, Remington, Winchester,Tikka, Kimber, Sig Arms and have had others. There are plusses and minuses to all of them. Personally I like Winchesters, flaws and all. It can't really be that strong of a preference though.
Fall Guy said:
Well this past year... I have seen it all everything from ejectors to magazines that just will not work. Most of the issues are not consistent but seem to be an overall lack of QC.
Totally out of proportion with any problems we might have with any other specific manufacturer. Normally you would get one problem generic to a model or type of firearm that could be sorted out and corrected at the manufacturing level.
I never used to see these types of Q/C issues with Remington products... but in the last few years I have been disheartened by the quality. JBRO
I used to feel the same way about Savage products but I must admit that the quality of the Savage/Stevens rifles is much better over the last few years.
Donny Fenn1 said:
Don't be rediculous Danny ... my post is easy to read and completely factual in content... Beretta is the parent company for Sako, Tikka, Benelli, Franchi, and Stoeger among others. And as the parent company is responsible for the product quality and customer service of it's affiliates. Anyone who has dealt with this company at any level is well aware of the quality and consistency of the products and in particular thier firearms.
Do an Online search as to how many thousands of chokes flew out the end of 11-87/870 barrels in the 90's... And how was their warranty department? Fast forward to recently...Fall Guy said:
Or, all the 700's that were tapped square for bases?
Or all the 750's going back right now for feeding issues...
Use the search button bud... Or google Remington warranty issues...
Does that qualify enough?
On a side note...
I like my Jammomatic 7400 though even though I've heard for years what a POS they are... In about 150 rounds, no problems whatsoever... (other than a soft shouldered BIGREDD)
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