Remington 700 MLR in .338LM
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You'd think that if they were putting pictures and specs in their catalog, that this thing would actually be available at some point. I figure that if it is priced anything like the current 700P's, it should be a great value for the dollar, especially for a 338LM with a Mac stock. Then again, I could be woay wrong...
Niko said:
Somehow Lapua managed to market this overbore expensive pig very well.
It needs long barrels to get the most out of it, just as the .338-378 does. If you are going with a 26 inch barrel there are better cartridges... the .340 Weatherby and the .338 Ultra Mag... and they work on regular 700 Magnum actions...
I find it interesting to note that both these cartridges can trace their ancestry back to the 416 rigby. What's appropriate for one should suffice for the other - I've never made that connection before.guntech said:
I'm going to be very frank here so please don't be insulted as it is not meant to offend.
Why would Remington be willing to send you pictures of propriety based R&D efforts unless it was going to be a reality?
I mean seriously, do you honestly think they're into giving or sharing trade secrets to anyone outside of the company? Especially, some annonymous individual who contacts them through e-mail?
I don't think you're giving Remington enough credit here. FWIW, I've heard about the introduction of this rifle long ago from the SHOT Show held earlier this year. It's not exactly "new" news at this point.
Remington has built prototypes 700's long ago for the Italian Army who were considering adoption of the .338 LM in a 700 based platform.
It then looked like Remington was going to offer this as a commercial product but they subsquently put it on hold.
This is my opinion and only my opinion. Trying to put things in their historical perspective, I think the .338 LM may have been pushed aside in favour of Remington's own .338 Ultra Mag. It now looks as though they've given enough time for it's own .338 offering to fall short of acceptance/sales expectations and are now going to introduce the far more "marketable" .338 LM in its product line.
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An opened opened up bolt face with a Sako-style extractor is hardly uncharted territory. I doubt seriously that much R & D went into that. In fact, I am willing to wager that the mag box and follower is taking more work than the bolt.
My question: Is Remington really ready to discard their (self-described) "Famous 3 Rings of Steel"?
My question: Is Remington really ready to discard their (self-described) "Famous 3 Rings of Steel"?
Though hardly uncharted territory (as you put it), I'd be highly skeptical if anyone at Remington would release information that in anyway would compromise their position. By all accounts, the rifle was at SHOT Show earler this year and was being touted as a production model.
I seriously doubt they'd go to those lengths to intentionally put egg on their faces. I have no personal knowledge of when the rifle will be released but it has been reported that it will be later on towards the end of the year.
Great idea for a Christmas present, don't ya' think?
2bad4u2 said:
Do you think I am lying? Did I make this up? Is Remington lying? Why wouldn't Remington answer questions. What great trade secret would they be exposing... they are the only manufacturers of 700 actions, they have nothing to hide ... Why wouldn't they be honest?
I know what I asked them. I have all the emails. I am not an anonymous individual, they have my name, address, phone number and we communicate using emails. They have always responded. In this particular case no one in the sporting end of the firearms are aware of the Lapua experiment.... I finally got through to a rep in the law enforcement side of Remington and asked what they were doing about the extractor and if they had a picture of it. I got a quick response and a picture. His response is copied and pasted below:
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Re: .338 Lapua [Incident:060507-000034]
Discussion Thread
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Response (Chris) - 06/15/2006 03:00 PM
Dear Mr. Sorensen,
Thank you for your inquiry. The 700P should be available in Oct. Attached is a photo of the extractor we are using at the present but is it not 100% confirmed. We still have some final testing but so far all is good. Due to the large head of a 338 lapua cartridge, our normal extractor could not be used and we went to an external claw style.
Customer (Dennis Sorensen) - 06/14/2006 01:26 PM
Incident created due to reply to expired incident 060507-000034.
I was just talking to a representative from the Law Enforcement side of
Remington and I was also looking in the Law Enforcement catalog. The .338
Lapua is being offered in a 700P. He also said he thought the extractor
being used was a Sako style extractor.
Can anyone at Remington clarify exactly what is being offered and describe
or supply a picture of the bolt head and extractor.
Dennis
Question Reference #060614-000029
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Product Level 1: Firearms
Product Level 2: Centerfire Rifles
Date Created: 06/14/2006 01:26 PM
Last Updated: 06/15/2006 03:00 PM
Status: Waiting
The comment, " Attached is a photo of the extractor we are using at the present but is it not 100% confirmed " leads me to believe the final decision has not been made.
Dennis, you took one portion of my response completely out of context, as I feard you might. I believe your conversation/communication took place. No doubt on that. I would never question your integrity, sir!
In your previous posts on this topic you seem very skeptical that this chambering will be introduced, at times insinuating the catalogue listing is some kind of fishing exercise on Remington's part.
My point is why would any company go to great lengths to do such a thing and even send you pictures of the bolt if in fact, it was all a hoax?
In your previous posts on this topic you seem very skeptical that this chambering will be introduced, at times insinuating the catalogue listing is some kind of fishing exercise on Remington's part.
My point is why would any company go to great lengths to do such a thing and even send you pictures of the bolt if in fact, it was all a hoax?
2bad4u2 said:
I don't think it was me who insinuated it was a fishing expedition but I would be really surprised if after Remington's testing they build this caliber on a 700 action using a different extractor system. If it ever happens I guess I would have to believe it, but right now I just don't see it happening. A huge part of the 700 design is the extremely strong and safe extractor system and the advertised 3 rings of steel. That concept is solid - but building a Lapua with an exposed claw type extractor on a 700 action is extremely contrary to the original design.
It isn't really going to great lengths for a company to build a couple of rifles as prototypes and test them... I don't think it is any hoax, it is simply that the final decision just has not been made. They are planning on it obviously, but until it is produced and available it isn't a done deal.
I'm not sure if this is ancient history or not but you can find out some thing here : http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/m24a3sws.htm
look here please
If some are interested, they talk about the Remington .338LM for few month here, here is even a pic...
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http://www.snipercentral.com/sr8.htm
If some are interested, they talk about the Remington .338LM for few month here, here is even a pic...
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http://www.snipercentral.com/sr8.htm
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I think Remington is simply playing catch up. They have had a prestigious position supplying M24's and M-40 rifles to the military, and now interest from the military community is growing in the .338 Lapua concept. Remington is probably concerned that if a major .338 Lapua sniper rifle contract comes up, and they don't have one to offer, another manufacturer will get their foot in the door. Another manufacturer might be able to push forward a completely new platform - say like Accuracy International - and Remington realizes that their 7.62 rifles could be replaced at the same time. Winchester dropped the ball with the post '64 M-70 and Remington picked it up - now Remington is afraid they might of dropped the ball by not R&Ding a .338 Lapua system. Had they in fact been working on such a system, the Ultramag series of cartridges would of been based on the .416 Rigby rather than the .404 Jeffery. The fact that Remington has even considered to abandon their proven bolt face, rather than introducing a larger version of the 700, suggests that the ball has indeed been dropped.
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Boomer said:
Boomer I had not thought of it in that manner, but your deduction does seem logical, with the US awarding contracts to many other countries firearms makers, I can see that Remington could be rightly nervous.
KK
