I'm thinking about getting a Remington 700 Police with a AICS stock in .308 win as a target rifle. I'm also planning on getting into hand loading as well. Anybody have any opinions or experiences with this rifle? I've been reading that its capable of 1/2" moa but I've had trouble finding good reviews or range reports.
Remington 700 Police
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I've owned about 4 of them in both .308 and .223. They are a fantastic entry level rifle that will shoot into 3/4" and 1/2" MOA if your handloads do their thing and you do your great benchrest technique.
The AICS platform is phenomenal also! Rock solid.
Have you searched for reviews of the AICS & M700P on google? How about snipercentral.com ?
You will be pleased. Then once you shoot the Precision game a whole lot, you will be ready for a new barrel or caliber or rig!
Cheers and welcome to the addiction!
Barney
The AICS platform is phenomenal also! Rock solid.
Have you searched for reviews of the AICS & M700P on google? How about snipercentral.com ?
You will be pleased. Then once you shoot the Precision game a whole lot, you will be ready for a new barrel or caliber or rig!
Cheers and welcome to the addiction!
Barney
The AICS stock will cost you darn near as much as the rifle. You could offset a bit of the cost by selling the factory stock. Whether the rifle will shoot better with a AICS stock, or the original HS stock is an moot point.
You might be better off to put your hard earned dollars into a decent scope, rather than into the AICS stock. Of course, if money is no object.....
And if you are going to do any amount of shooting, getting set up for handloading makes a lot of sense. Target quality factory ammunition is not cheap.
You might be better off to put your hard earned dollars into a decent scope, rather than into the AICS stock. Of course, if money is no object.....
And if you are going to do any amount of shooting, getting set up for handloading makes a lot of sense. Target quality factory ammunition is not cheap.
Love my 700P in .308, although I have a bedded Bell & Carlson A5 Medalist on it. With 175gr SMK it will do an honest average of .7" (sometimes worse and sometimes better depending on me).
I love the look of the AICS but that thumb hole is the most uncomfortable thing in the world for me for some reason.
If you haven't done so already, you may want to feel one up before putting out for one.
I love the look of the AICS but that thumb hole is the most uncomfortable thing in the world for me for some reason.
If you haven't done so already, you may want to feel one up before putting out for one.
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- Virden, MB
The cost of the stock is high, but think about it. If you want an AI mag system you are touching off $600 right there plus in-letting it. So if the stock works for you and you want an AI mag system, its prolly worth it.
Personally the HS stock that is on the 700p is a better stock IMO and adding a Vbull or Badger AI system is my preferred route.
Wouldn't be long before I was re-barreling either with a match barrel. Turn that 3/4-1 MOA rifle into a 1/4-1/2 Moa gun on the cheap.
Personally the HS stock that is on the 700p is a better stock IMO and adding a Vbull or Badger AI system is my preferred route.
Wouldn't be long before I was re-barreling either with a match barrel. Turn that 3/4-1 MOA rifle into a 1/4-1/2 Moa gun on the cheap.
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- Virden, MB
Depends, talk to your local gunsmith.
Barrels are in the $400 plus range and threading/chambering is another story.
If you are thinking for spinning on a custom barrel you should talk to your gunsmith 1st.
You are already buying an expensive stock, may as well only pay for an action and just build it from the ground up, cheaper this way in the long run.
If you are buying a factory gun, well you have a factory gun. If you want a custom gun, you don't need to buy all the over-priced factory parts just to discard them.
Barrels are in the $400 plus range and threading/chambering is another story.
If you are thinking for spinning on a custom barrel you should talk to your gunsmith 1st.
You are already buying an expensive stock, may as well only pay for an action and just build it from the ground up, cheaper this way in the long run.
If you are buying a factory gun, well you have a factory gun. If you want a custom gun, you don't need to buy all the over-priced factory parts just to discard them.
Seeing as you really want the AICS, buy the stock, buy the cheapest Remington SPS short action with medium boltface that you can find, sell the take-off barrel for $75, the stock for $50, buy a quality barrel for $400- $450, pay a good 'smith to install the barrel, perhaps $200 - $250. You will have a semi custom rifle, configured the way you want, for around $2000.
You prefer the pistol grip style of stock, but you would be advised to actually try an AICS. There is more to stock ergonomics than just the grip, just as the prone position with a bipod is not the only way to shoot a rifle.
buy a rem 700 varmint, it's exactly the same as the 700P minus the HS stock, you should save close to 300$ that you can put on the AICS.
You should also take a quick look at Ian Robertson composite stock, I will be buying one for mine .
You should also take a quick look at Ian Robertson composite stock, I will be buying one for mine .
I absolutely advocate that having a stock with proper ergonomics is important. Proper ergonmics is different for rifles fired prone, off benches and off-hand.
The AICS is cool and it has nice mags. If it is worth the money, then fly at it, but if you want to achieve accuracy, the barrel is a far more functional upgrade that will pay huge dividends. No matter how much money you pour into a gun, unless the barrel is of top quality, the gun will always shoot to the ability of the barrel (and shooter).
Unless you simply hafta have it, there are far more choices out there than just the AICS, and they can be got for considerably less money. The selctions from Robertson Composites are outstanding, he supports Canadian Shooting arguably as much or more than any business out there, and he builds stocks second to none. He deserves consideration. Ask to see his tactical and his thumbhole stocks.
On the alternate list, Manners Composites, Bell & Carson, HS Precision, MacMillan all make very good tactical style stocks for less money than the AICS.
The AICS is cool and it has nice mags. If it is worth the money, then fly at it, but if you want to achieve accuracy, the barrel is a far more functional upgrade that will pay huge dividends. No matter how much money you pour into a gun, unless the barrel is of top quality, the gun will always shoot to the ability of the barrel (and shooter).
Unless you simply hafta have it, there are far more choices out there than just the AICS, and they can be got for considerably less money. The selctions from Robertson Composites are outstanding, he supports Canadian Shooting arguably as much or more than any business out there, and he builds stocks second to none. He deserves consideration. Ask to see his tactical and his thumbhole stocks.
On the alternate list, Manners Composites, Bell & Carson, HS Precision, MacMillan all make very good tactical style stocks for less money than the AICS.
Rifleman700
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- Trenton, Ontario
I have had my 700P for 5 years now and I absolutely love it....and with the factory barrel and hand loads with 168 A-Max it will consistantly... so I have experienced shoot .50-.75 groups at 100 M, so IMO buy one and get alot of rounds down range and you will see and possibly fall in love with it as well...hehe and like what was said above spend the money on Good optics and a Match barrel which i will be installing on mine soon...have fun
I've been doing some more research and the remington 700 SS 5R is supposed to be a great out of the box shooter. Ahh decisions decisions. I'm not good at them. I'm going to make a few inquiries regarding a custom built rifle. Thank you all for your insight and replies.
I bought an AICS for my Rem 700 PSS-DM 10 years ago and have never regretted it. The Factory Remington Detachable Mag system sucked, plus I did not like the fat palm swell on the H-S Police stock.
The AICS fits me perfectly and the rifle is a joy to shoot.The Mag system feeds flawlessly.
The AICS was the first big Modification I did to my rifle................next was a custom barrel and blueprinting.................then I upgraded the optics/mounts
The AICS fits me perfectly and the rifle is a joy to shoot.The Mag system feeds flawlessly.
The AICS was the first big Modification I did to my rifle................next was a custom barrel and blueprinting.................then I upgraded the optics/mounts
woa, doing the math using the numbers you've provided
+$670 for a 700sps (from cgn sponsor, frontier firearms)
-$75 (get money back from sale of barrel)
-$50 (get money back for sale of barrell
+$400 buy barrel
+$200 Pay gunsmith
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=$1145
+$ 755 for AICS???
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=$1900 + GST (assuming he can get everything out of province to avoid the PST and none of the sellers charge him a dime for shipping)
=$1995
Can you get an AICS for $755 + GST or $792 to your door? I thought they were closer to $1000-$1200 before taxes and shipping...
The most economical way.
x1. I totally agree with Fleury. If you are going to change stock & barrel, then all you want is the action.
I started out with a Rem Po in .308, and found I was fighting to get on top of the stock. And I did get a Robertson Composite stock. Amazing stock. Could have saved myself a few hundred dollars by going Fleury's route. I did change the factory firing pin to a Tubbs titanium firing pin and springs. and a Jewell trigger.
With 155gr Amax reloads @ 100yds, .5" groupings all day long, and that's still with the factory barrel. Good luck!
x1. I totally agree with Fleury. If you are going to change stock & barrel, then all you want is the action.
I started out with a Rem Po in .308, and found I was fighting to get on top of the stock. And I did get a Robertson Composite stock. Amazing stock. Could have saved myself a few hundred dollars by going Fleury's route. I did change the factory firing pin to a Tubbs titanium firing pin and springs. and a Jewell trigger.
With 155gr Amax reloads @ 100yds, .5" groupings all day long, and that's still with the factory barrel. Good luck!
Not new................they are in the $1200.00 range new.........................$800.00 or $900.00 might get you a used one...............
Wolverine sells AICS for 1000, non folding short action. The Folding AICS is about 1250. I don't need the folding version. I don't mind shelling out the extra money for the stock. I"ve been saving my pennies since the beginning of summer for this purchase. I considered a Tikka, there very nice, but I don't think you can get an AICS on it. Furthermore, the one with a rail is 1500 apposed to 1200 for the remmington 700 SS 5R.
Remington 700 SPS Varmint or Tactical 599-699
AICS stock 1000
That is the cheapest way to get into what you want. Once the SPS varmint is out of the stock there is no way to tell it's not a police model. A factory barrel is a factory barrel and your chances of getting a shooter are the same with both. You know your changing stocks anyways so there's no point putting out the extra cash to get a police model. The difference of price between a police and a Varmint is the cost of a match barrel blank then all you have to do is save your pennies for a gunsmith. Best part is you can still shoot the rifle the whole time you are saving (not to mention you might get a shooter)
Just my $0.02
Jason
AICS stock 1000
That is the cheapest way to get into what you want. Once the SPS varmint is out of the stock there is no way to tell it's not a police model. A factory barrel is a factory barrel and your chances of getting a shooter are the same with both. You know your changing stocks anyways so there's no point putting out the extra cash to get a police model. The difference of price between a police and a Varmint is the cost of a match barrel blank then all you have to do is save your pennies for a gunsmith. Best part is you can still shoot the rifle the whole time you are saving (not to mention you might get a shooter)
Just my $0.02
Jason
I have a 5R, I love it.
Pics of my build are here. I've since added a tacpro cheek rest (very easy to install, but does requir drilling into the buttstock)
