Remington 700 potentially UNSAFE? (Update)

I've been hunting and shooting with a Remington 700 for nearly twenty years. My dad used it for 10 years before that. In all that time there's never been a single issue with the gun, it only ever went off when the safety was off and the trigger was pulled.
There are a lot of people out there these days that seem to believe that there's no way anything bad happening could possibly be their fault. At the root of EVERY gun 'accident' is a firearm pointed in the wrong direction or left out where it shouldn't be. If the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction, nobody gets hurt.
 
Boomer686 said:
Same BS clip they have been running for two + years now.They have the mother grieving over the loss of her son: they were hunting together (she was carrying the rifle) when it allegedly discharged on it's own shooting her son in the stomach and killing him. Funny how no one asked her why she would be pointing it at her son in the first place. Real impartial, get to the heart of the story reporting there.
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^^This. If you don't point it at somebody no one will be hurt.
And if you think this is only happens with Remington's you'd be mistaken. I've personally seen a brand new savage 93 fire the second the bolt was closed. But nobody was hurt because we know not to point loaded guns at one another. Or unloaded for that matter.
There tragic stories, but as already pointed out, the blame for those deaths lies solely with the person holding the gun. Period!
 
If I recall, some of the 'complainants' in these cases were paid by mass media outlets to tell their stories. If I recall correctly, at least some of these were vehemently denied, then decisively proved false, by Remington and independent investigators, and some lawsuits against the involved mass media were started. Then it all magically went away - possibly CNN got caught massaging the facts...again. It wouldn't be the first time they've been caught manufacturing 'evidence' to create a story.

Of course, right from the start, every one of the complaints reeked of either breathtaking incompetence or obvious malfeasance, in my view...

Personally, I'd have absolutely no qualms about buying a Remington 700 - they have always been (and, I suspect, will remain) a quality product.
 
In well over 100k rounds downrange through my hands, from many dozens of different firearms, several of them remingtons, I have NEVER had a firearm that discharged without my physical input.

Guns don't generally have a tendency to do that... otherwise their makers would be out of buisness very fast.
 
not to be an ass, but no accidents happen with proper firearm handling

A firearm should only be loaded when you intend to shoot it, and when you have your finger off the trigger, AND you are pointing the firearm in a safe direction.
No accidents can happen this way. an unloaded firearm doesnt fire. and a loaded firearm doesnt injure anyone when pointed in a safe direction.
flame all you want.

People hunting drunk, with a loaded firearm, with the finger on the trigger, pointing anywhere, that's not a safe way to handle a firearm. accident waiting to happen.

ALWAYS ACTS and PROVE. period.

The Vital Four ACTS of Firearm Safety

Canadian Firearms Program

Assume every firearm is loaded

Control the muzzle direction at all times

Trigger finger must be kept off the trigger and out of the trigger guard

See that the firearm is unloaded

PROVEit safe.

Point the firearm in the safest available direction

Remove all ammunition

Observe the chamber

Verify the feeding path

Examine the bore each time you pick up a firearm
 
I totally believed it since US Army, MC, Police, and all the law enforcement agency all adopted R700.
 
My coworkers called it the "remington conspiracy"
I call it BS id still buy a rem
 
Snafu9er said:
Apparently.. there are many articles saying the same thing.
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the only guns that EVER had a problem with the safety are ones idiots messed with the trigger mech. rem has had a couple of lawsuits they have filed against (big surprise here) cnbc for lieing about this stuff.

if you dont F with the trigger you wont have any problems with it.

personally i wouldn't buy a rem for all the problems i have seen selling them. but their older rifles are wonderful.
 
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I'm one of those that had this supposedly bs issue happen to me. Thankfully the gun was pointed in a safe direction. Both of my Remington now have gentry safeties.
Ivor
 
I have personally seen a left handed 700 discharge with the release of the safety. Through the window of a pickup truck. Upon inspection the firearm as extremely dirty and worn. The gunsmith was aware of the issue and had a quick fix for those who are incapable of keeping a gun clean.. From my understanding it was only a issue with earlier models..

On a side note no matter how hard I try I cannot cause a AD with my 700 (obivouisly in a controlled safe way)
 
skip1600 said:
I have personally seen a left handed 700 discharge with the release of the safety. Through the window of a pickup truck. Upon inspection the firearm as extremely dirty and worn. The gunsmith was aware of the issue and had a quick fix for those who are incapable of keeping a gun clean.. From my understanding it was only a issue with earlier models..

On a side note no matter how hard I try I cannot cause a AD with my 700 (obivouisly in a controlled safe way)
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i think i can bet what the gunsmiths advice was if you cant keep the gun clean yourself. don't have a firearm. or you know take it to a gunsmith to have it cleaned. when i worked in a shop i saw some absolutely revolting guns come through needing cleaning, some took me 3 hours to do a full cleaning on they were so dirty. and those guns still worked (many of them Remington semi's and pumps)
 
This is really old news Remington was attacked a few years ago on this and yet they still sell them today and have for the last 50 years . If it were that big of a deal they would have been pulled from shelves. Almost any firearm from any manufacturer can be made unsafe given the right amount of tinkering/ Bubbaing .
 
A couple points that should be brought up. In the NBC story the rifles that gave the problem where pre 82-84??? then the triggers got a minor make over. Secondly the lady who shot her son was taking off the safety while pointing it at a cargo trailer. The gun went off and it just so happened her son had run around to the other side. The bullet travelled through the trailer and struck him on the other side. She wasn't being too careless in my opinion.

Edit: I said the lady was taking off the safety, but I may be wrong on that point. She may have been opening the bolt.

I personally would not own a pre 82 700, but that's just me.
 
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g-manz35 said:
... Secondly the lady who shot her son was taking off the safety while pointing it at a cargo trailer..... The gun went off and it just so happened her son had run around to the other side. The bullet travelled through the trailer and struck him on the other side. She wasn't being too careless in my opinion......
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You really believe she wasn't being careless????

Basic cardinal rules.. be aware of your muzzle at all times; be aware of your target (intentional target or not) and what *MAY* be beyond it; consider where the bullet may go if it were to pass thru your target (intentional or not).

Her son was obviously downrange of where she was pointing. A trailer with either plywood or paper-thin sheet metal walls would not be considered a safe backstop for any center fire firearm. If it was not to serve as backstop then she was not aware of what potentially may have been happening downrange of where the muzzle was pointing.

She can b*tch and whine all she wants but ultimately the death of her son was caused by her unsafe firearm handling and not the alleged malfunction. Keep it pointed in a safe direction at all times and in the event of an AD no one gets hurt. Plain, pure and simple.
 
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Boomer686 said:
She can ##### and whine all she wants but ultimately the death of her son was caused by her unsafe firearm handling and not the malfunction. Keep it pointed in a safe direction at all times and in the event of an AD no one gets hurt. Plain, pure and simple.
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And that sums it up in a nutshell....
 
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