Remington 700 potentially UNSAFE? (Update)

My rifle definitely wasn't dirty, and it was repeatable. The trigger was set at 3 lbs professionally, and it would only happen if I took the safety off softly. I could softly push the trigger off, attempt to squeeze the trigger, which would not break, then with another nudge to the safety the firing pin would fall without my finger being anywhere near the trigger.
Don't believe me if you don't want to, but I will never own another 700 that doesn't have a proper safety installed.
Ivor
 
Boomer686 said:
You really believe she wasn't being careless????


She can b*tch and whine all she wants but ultimately the death of her son was caused by her unsafe firearm handling and not the alleged malfunction. Keep it pointed in a safe direction at all times and in the event of an AD no one gets hurt. Plain, pure and simple.
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Yes she was being careless, but it does not appear as though she was doing anything outlandish. Can`t say for sure as I wasn`t there. As I recall she did not ##### and whine. In fact she did not say anything at all. It was her husband who had done the research and was making all the noise. I`m not really interested in arguing about it. Just stating what I had seen in the report on CNBC.

A friend of mine just bought a new 700. I really like it. I also had a friend who had an older (pre 82) 700 that discharged on him accidentally. May have been his fault. I don`t know as I wasn`t there.
 
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ivor said:
My rifle definitely wasn't dirty, and it was repeatable. The trigger was set at 3 lbs professionally, and it would only happen if I took the safety off softly. I could softly push the trigger off, attempt to squeeze the trigger, which would not break, then with another nudge to the safety the firing pin would fall without my finger being anywhere near the trigger.
Don't believe me if you don't want to, but I will never own another 700 that doesn't have a proper safety installed.
Ivor
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What would you say is a proper safety?
 
ivor said:
My rifle definitely wasn't dirty, and it was repeatable. The trigger was set at 3 lbs professionally, and it would only happen if I took the safety off softly. I could softly push the trigger off, attempt to squeeze the trigger, which would not break, then with another nudge to the safety the firing pin would fall without my finger being anywhere near the trigger.
Don't believe me if you don't want to, but I will never own another 700 that doesn't have a proper safety installed.
Ivor
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What does that mean? Did someone professionally turn the adjustment screw, or was your trigger tampered with?

Or you can blame the gun.
 
ivor said:
My rifle definitely wasn't dirty, and it was repeatable. The trigger was set at 3 lbs professionally, and it would only happen if I took the safety off softly. I could softly push the trigger off, attempt to squeeze the trigger, which would not break, then with another nudge to the safety the firing pin would fall without my finger being anywhere near the trigger.
Don't believe me if you don't want to, but I will never own another 700 that doesn't have a proper safety installed.
Ivor
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Better find another professional.
 
9x19p said:
What does that mean? Did someone professionally turn the adjustment screw, or was your trigger tampered with?

Or you can blame the gun.
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That means that someone who had adjusted hundreds of Remington triggers, and fully understood the dynamics in adjusting them had taken the trigger down to a safe and usable level. I guess that I could have left it at the 8lbs that they come from the factory as, but that would defeat the whole reason for buying a Remington in the first place.
I used to worship the ground that Remington manufactured on before this, but when it happened to me (about 8 years ago), I looked into it, and even then, there was mutterings about this. Remington denied it flatly, probably due to the fact that if they admitted to it, they would go broke in court. The fact of the matter is that it is a bad design.......companies do let things slip out the door that aren't quite up to snuff. Sorry for shattering all the Remington lovers sacred cow.
To answer the other question, I had gentry safeties installed on both of my remingtons. These safeties are 3 position Winchester style that block the firing pin from going forward. In my opinion, that is a properly designed safety.
Ivor
 
ivor said:
My rifle definitely wasn't dirty, and it was repeatable. The trigger was set at 3 lbs professionally, and it would only happen if I took the safety off softly. I could softly push the trigger off, attempt to squeeze the trigger, which would not break, then with another nudge to the safety the firing pin would fall without my finger being anywhere near the trigger.
Don't believe me if you don't want to, but I will never own another 700 that doesn't have a proper safety installed.
Ivor
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What year was it manufactured?
 
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If a trigger has been "adjusted" and then malfunctions, in all likelihood it wasn't adjusted properly.
The standard 700 trigger can malfunction, if it is not properly set up. This is why manufacturers are using trigger groups that cannot be adjusted to the point of failure, with protruding paddles, etc.
The last R700 trigger I saw that was producing surprise shots was a Timney - and it had been fooled with.
 
ivor said:
My rifle definitely wasn't dirty, and it was repeatable. The trigger was set at 3 lbs professionally, and it would only happen if I took the safety off softly. I could softly push the trigger off, attempt to squeeze the trigger, which would not break, then with another nudge to the safety the firing pin would fall without my finger being anywhere near the trigger.
Don't believe me if you don't want to, but I will never own another 700 that doesn't have a proper safety installed.
Ivor
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Not all Remington triggers can be adjusted to the same weight. I've had a couple of the newer Xmarks that wouldn't go below 3 lbs. reliably. It sounds to me like your "professional" needs to be more prudent in his post adjustment checks.
The Walker trigger is a good design and when adjusted properly, many of the pre Xmark models are equal to a Timney.
 
I have a 700 Tactical and it is an excellent rifle with no issues. I saw the NBC thing but that didn't change my mind about which rifle I wanted.
 
Madmardigan said:
Nonsence. It's nothing more than people who don't know how to safely handel a firearm. If they were that unsafe do you think they would still be selling them?
The question is, why did those people have a loaded gun pointed at somebody? The only people to blame for those negligent disharges was the person holding the gun.
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B.S.!!!

I had a 700 sps in .270 that liked to go off as the bolt was being cammed down. My hubby didn't have his finger or anything near the trigger when I saw it happen a couple times. I sent it back to Remington, they replaced the bolt and put an upgraded x-mark pro trigger in it. It did it again after it was "fixed". I thought oh well, as long as it's in a safe direction-who cares Ah??....wrong! Heard about a guy whose gun liked to do the same thing except his blew the bolt out and his hand was still screwed even after three surgeries. The gun wasn't even a year old when I took it back to Saskatoon Wholesale Sports where the manager put it on the shelf for immediate resale even though I told him I didn't think it was safe to use. The manager just looked at me like I was just a dumb women who didn't know better then to keep my finger off the trigger....Ya.

Thankfully that manager was later fired and they no longer sell used guns. I would have threw that rifle in the burning barrel had I realized they would have done that.
 
i have adjusted many triggers and found i can adjust them to go off by moving the safety or banging the but hard. i learned how by trial and error and have never had an accidental discharge. its easy to adjust triggers too light and some won't adjust well no matter what you do. triggers arn't black art just common sense mechanical devices. if you have no mechanicale ability you shouldn't touch them. i have had triggers adjusted by gunsmiths that are really poor and a couple done by guntec that are really good. just because a person calls himself a smith doesn't mean he can't adjust a trigger to be unsafe.
 
I have a 600 and have had no problems ..
But I was under the impression that some guns (600 660 and 700 ) did have problems and since there was so many Remington rifles;;; It would have cost a fortune to ""RECALL"" these guns .. So they created a program where you could send your gun in for free to get it checked .
 
mike Crawford said:
http://www.remington.com/en/pages/n...tion-program/remington-model-600-and-660.aspx
If there was nothing wrong and the accidents were all people error then why did Remington put out a program to fix the guns
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Exactly. If the pre 82 700s were not a problem as CNBC reported then why are they offering to repair them? Fixing a problem that doesn't exist? At any rate good on Remington. I may just buy a pre 82 Remington some day.

www.remington.com/pages/news-and-re...ogram/remington-model-700-and-model-40-X.aspx
 
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In the recent 8541 tactical mail call Monday he addresses the "problem" with the old remington trigger. Apparently the old trigger system safety blocked the firing pin and not the trigger itself. If the rifle was tampered with or very dirty the firing pin would fail to engage the sear when the safety was removed; possibly causing a discharge. It apparently took quite a bit to make the system fail, but it could happen. The new Xmark now blocks the trigger itself. Older 700 triggers can be swapped for jewel or timney units that also block the trigger if you feel you are incapable of maintaining your property.
 
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