Remington 700 SPS Varmint vs. Savage Model 12FV

[PEI ROB]

... I watched fellows shooting last summer at Connaught wind gusting to 70 kph guys with .308 at 2900fps + where over on other targets, I would be afraid of not knowing where to find the .223 bullets

The .223 75 gr Amax is better in the wind than a .308 155gr Sierra Palma match bullet, but not as good as the excellent Lapua 155gr scenar. Long range best rest shooters often shoot overly powerful rifles that cause them discomfort simply because they can fire a higher BC bullet at the same speed or faster. The accuracy loss due to recoil is less than the ballistic advantage gain. These guys dream about a tiny increase in accuracy and some will do crazy things to get it. They do not shoot heavy bullets because they are heavy, they shoot them because of the high BC. BC fights the wind, not weight.

Cheers

 

[Mystic Precision]

Troutseeker, I will be setting my scope up for a 1000m full down zero. Use the mildots for closer distances. Might have to still aim over the target and drop them in. Them bullets are falling hard.

Looks like 60 to 70mins from the 1000m/1100yd zero to make it to the mile.

Going to try 80gr Amax/Berger and 75gr Amax shortly in a new 7 twist pipe. If the bullets don't tumble after going subsonic, they will go as far as you can adjust for.

manitou, the 75gr HP's are a ballistic pig compared to the Amax. Same goes for the MK's. Only the Bergers look good on paper - why I want to send some downrange.

The 80gr Amax looks about the same length/profile as the 90gr VLD's so am hoping to have a BC that is close. Hoping to see real world BC's in the 0.46 to 0.49 range.

With the ability to push 2900 to 2975fps in reasonably long barrels, this should keep up with even the hero 308 loads. Certainly equal/beat the normal 308 loadings.

There is a pretty heated ongoing debate between the 223 and 308. The 308 shooters feel very strongly that the higher bullet mass gives less wind drift even though the paper ballistics say otherwise.

I am hoping to give it a rudimentary test this year.

In the wind at LR, we all want to shoot the highest BC bullets at the highest velocity we can. Makes driving in gusty conditions so much easier.

Neither the 223 or 308 is much of a wind cheater.

Jerry

 

[troutseeker]

I'd have to find my log book but I recall shooting the 75 Grain Amax's at 2938fps (average). I had a 20 MOA base, high rings and a Bushnell 6x24x40. Scope adjustments were full bottom and I was at a 200 meter zero. If memory serves me well I used 42 minutes from the scope added to the 20 from the base for a total of 62 minutes to get to the squirrel (you had to be there...) at just over 1000 yards. For 1400 yards I ran out of elevation at 46 minutes (+20) and used all my dots. I ran out of elevation and mildots, hence was not able to reach the mile without guestimating (which I would not do).

The fun thing was that with the .223 I could shoot, re-acquire the target in no time due to little recoil and watch my bullet's trail through the air! Very cool!

This years rifle will be similar. Different scope (30 mm tube) with an advertised 80 minutes in scope. Couple that to a 20 moa base I should get close to 100 minutes of elevation, plus mildots. I think it will make the mile and maybe a bit more. I'm confident the bullets will remain stable to a mile.

Last years shoot was great! I had not shot beyond 800 yards since my military days (a long time ago), but it came back quickly and I still had a "feel" for windage.

Troutseeker

 

[Bush Man]

Can you get a A-5 stock to fit the SPS? Or is there any difference between a standard 700P and SPS? Will the varmint SPS be the right contour of barrel for an A-5, or would I have to put another barrel to fill it.