Remington 700's..

Those misfire reports where from awhile ago and it has mostly been ruled out as people screwing with their triggers when they werent supposed to or not trained to.

Agreed, before I bought my 700 a friend told me he watched a show saying how dangerous the 700 with accidently discharging. It was due to people messing around with triggers and safties. Anyone I know that owns a 700 have never had any issues with the rifle ever. So I bought one and I am very happy with it, but the stock is garbage (to flexible). But that was changed quickly (6 rounds on factory stock and then replaced). And now I have to deal with shooting this, my life is sooooo tough.View attachment 5449
I shot a Savage the other day with the same problem, fired two rounds inadvertently while working the bolt, and the second one was while being gentle with it. Bit it was an aftermarket trigger which had been adjusted too light. If you screw with any gun enough you can have problems
 
Care to explain this further???

If you think about a pressure leak getting past the bolt lugs and into the lug way on the left side of the receiver - the pressure on a non fluted bolt is trapped in the lug way and free to travel to the back of the receiver and out the back of the bolt. This is how the shooter can get hurt.

If by contrast - the bolt is spiral fluted - any pressure build up in the lug way is free to vent to the atmosphere via the spiral flutes along the ejection port. This would significantly reduce the pressure in the lug way and subsequently reduce the likelihood of injury to the shooter from venting out the back of the bolt.
 
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If you think about a pressure leak getting past the bolt lugs and into the lug way on the left side of the receiver - the pressure on a non fluted bolt is trapped in the lug way and free to travel to the back of the receiver and out the back of the bolt. This is how the shooter can get hurt.

If by contrast - the bolt is spiral fluted - any pressure build up in the lug way is free to vent to the atmosphere via the spiral flutes along the ejection port. This would significantly reduce the pressure in the lug way and subsequently reduce the likelihood of injury to the shooter from venting out the back of the bolt.

I guess anything is possible, I certainly wouldn't flute my bolt thinking of it as an effective measure to divert escaping gases.
 
Do any of you CGN'rs know what Savage models i should look for? I'm only saying Savage because they're tried, tested and true...

I bought a Model 12 F/TR and am very happy with it in .308

I can't comment on the Rem 700, but most of the members at my range shoot the 700 which says something.
After my first season with my first rifle quite a few of those members warmed up to my 12F/TR. Not that it was superior in any way,
or that they were inclined to switch to Savage, but rather that a new shooter could land in the middle of the score sheets with
an out of the box rifle and factory Lapua ammunition.


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I guess anything is possible, I certainly wouldn't flute my bolt thinking of it as an effective measure to divert escaping gases.

Its certainly better to get only some of the powder blast in your face than ALL of it.

We can all live in denial about the point and it will probably never happen to any of you reading this. If you always shoot newish brass a case split would be unlikely. Some guys out there pick up and reload range brass that they do not know the history of. It may have been fired and reloaded many times and became work hardened. It is my belief this was the case in the story I shared. While you yourself may never shoot anything but new Federal Match ammo, sooner or later some guy is going to offer a couple shots on his rifle and you wont know the story behind his ammo.

Spiral fluting is a very effective method of diverting gas pressure for shooter safety, most guys just thing it looks cool but it is in fact functional.
 
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Those Remington misfires is a bunch of bs , the only become unsafe if an unskilled individual starts tampering with s**t, my stock 700 trigger has been worked down to 1.5 lbs by a skilled smith (Dennis Sorensen ) and honestly I can use the thing as a baseball bat and it doesn't go off

Not true. I have NEVER touched the trigger on my 700 XCR Compact tactical, it has the Remington 40X trigger and about two years ago I put a big hole in the ground at my feet when I flipped the safety off. The 700s are known for going off when the safety is released.

I have both rem and sav rifles. Both are nice, I agree that the 700 is a WAY better looking rifle and has a better fit and finish but those savages are just so damn accurate. I guess the question is, what do you want out of the box? Good looks or accuracy? Both problems can be fixed with money.
Actually, I think its more like driving a Kia when you have a Hyundai sitting in the garage. They'll both do the job, probably not a lot of difference between them aside from personal preference, so get whichever one turns your crank...just don't expect it to turn your crank too quickly, because neither one is that exciting.

I've had several of each, still have 2 Rems and 1 Savage, and have no complaints about either brand...although I can't help but feel that Savage offers a little bit more bang for the buck.
Exactly.

I own several remington's and savages. I am disapinted with remington 700's to no end! Their value is only a project gun, meaning you are going to have to replace parts. My biggest problem if feeding problems with their internal box magazines. Older models did not have this, newer models it is quite common. Remington can't or wont fix this. Bring snap caps to stores and check functionality and you'll see this is common. My Rem700 xcr tactical long range in .223 suffered from a problem where the bolt would slide on top of the top round so it would not chamber anything. The only fix is to replace the bottom metal. I have installed an Atlasworxs DBM that cured the rifle of all ills. If you intention is to shoot factory remingtons, don't. Go savage. More accurate out of the box.

I will say in remington defense that all their triggers are fine and dandy. No misfires, or otherwise not excellent triggers. To their credit the 40x trigger that came on my XCR TLR is the cats ass as long as your happy with a trigger pull over 2lbs. As a base for a project franken gun, they are fine actions with an unsurpassed aftermarket. If you want to shoot stock, or just a barrel upgrade, go savage. I have nothing bad to say about the three I own.
Oh Yeah! Forgot about the mag problem. Incredibly irritating!! I found the solution is just POUNDING the bolt back. It's enough to snap the follower up so the bolt face can catch the back of the cartridge. That said, I haven't tried polishing the mag well. I think my next rifle will be another savage. Remingtons are project guns.... not to mention they are supporting the NY government while all of the other gun manufactures are moving shop to more gun friendly states like Texas and Arizona.
 
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I have had 3 Rem 700s, I currently own one. The one I currently own was the subject of a thread two years ago. It was a SPS youth in .243 with the X-Mark Pro adjustable and it would fire when the safety was clicked from on to off.

Many people called me a BSer, a troll or said I tried to muck with the trigger, all of which were false. A competent smith replaced the trigger under warranty from Remington and I still own the gun.
 
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I have had 3 Rem 700s, I currently own one. The one I currently own was the subject of a thread two years ago. It was a SPS youth in .243 with the X-Mark Pro adjustable and it would fire when the safety was clicked from off to on.

Many people called me a BSer, a troll or said I tried to muck with the trigger, all of which were false. A competent smith replaced the trigger under warranty from Remington and I still own the gun.

Brutal! I mean, i've been creeping the EE for a few weeks now, and it just blows me away on how many 700's people are selling off..if you just type "remington 700" in the thread search, 4 full pages come up! As i said before though, i will eventually buy one..it'll have to be cheap, but i will buy one.
 
You know, i'm fairly new to the shooting world, and i've already accumulated a few firearms to have fun with. Recently, within the last couple weeks, i've become enamoured with the thought of owning a Remington 700..i mean, they just look so damn ###y! In the last 24hrs however, it has been revealed to me that there have been many cases of defects with the 700's misfiring 'n such. This turned me off slightly. It's like being set up to date a hot girl, and finding out she had chlamydia at one time..it just ruins the image. I have a decent bolt action Savage 111 in 30-06, but want a good bench bolt rifle to target shoot with (in .308), with a ###y heavy barrel, and tactical stock. My budget is set at about $1000-$1500. Do any of you CGN'rs know what Savage models i should look for? I'm only saying Savage because they're tried, tested and true...

Get the 700, then get this: http://mdttac.com/tac21-short-action.html 700's never looked so wicked.
 
I have shot both savage and remington i like both but i own a 700 and so does every one else in this thread.. Its probably for a good reason! Never seen any missfires either but ive heard about them too dont belive it.
+1 remington
 
Brutal! I mean, i've been creeping the EE for a few weeks now, and it just blows me away on how many 700's people are selling off..if you just type "remington 700" in the thread search, 4 full pages come up! As i said before though, i will eventually buy one..it'll have to be cheap, but i will buy one.

Maybe because there are more 700's out there, than others? It's kinda simple math. More sold new, so there'll be more on the used market as a result.
 
I'd rather have a sister workin in a brothel than a brother shooting a savage...

Amen brother... +1 for the 700

Hmm, those darn 700's... geez I wonder why 90% of the aftermarket actions made on earth copy the 700 footprint... oh well, must just be a coincidence... :bangHead:

I shot a Savage once... wore gloves so as not to touch the filthy creature and contract god knows what...



To be honest I'd rather you did buy a Savage, that leaves more 700's for the guys that know what to do with them.
Ok, I'm done my rant now... no hard feelings guys... d:h: :popCorn:
 
I was on the same journey you're on now, and was going to pull the trigger on the 700P. For the money though, Tikka rifle's are excellent. That's why I have one on order. Don't over look a real well built shooter like the Tikka varmint, super varmint.. or if you're inclined the Tactical. Ask your shop where you're buying the rifle you want 2 things;
How many 700's do you sell per month VS Tikka T3's, and how many are returned each year? I still will always like the 700 though, but their trying to compete with Beretta... and their QC shows it.
My 2 cents.
 
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