Remington 7600

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JimmieA.

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I have owned this rifle since about 1984, done lots of hunting with it. It is chambered in 30-06 and I usually shoot 150 grain with soft lead or plastic tips.

Last time I was out hunting I couldn't hit anything with it. I have to be honest I hadn't cleaned it in years so I gave it a good cleaning. I just got back from the range. At 100 yards on a rest I could maybe get 2.5 inch groups, maybe a bit worse than that. My technique wasn't the best and tend to flinch a bit as well. It has a muzzle brake on it and is really loud. I should take it out again and shoot the 22LR rifle first as I was getting much better after 100 rounds through the 22. I shot about 24 rounds through the 30-06 giving it plenty of time to cool down. I used new Winchester and Remington factory shells on the lower end. I did wave around a bit but got better with the 22 afterwards.

Do you guys think this is reasonable accuracy for this gun? I need to give it a better test as I waved around a bit and didn't always squeeze the trigger as well as I could.

I'm trying to figure out what to do with this gun. If I can't get good groups with it on a rest in perfect conditions I'm inclinded to get a different gun or get a gun smith to have a look at it. I'm a little worried that the Scope Chief scope might be bad, it is 3X9 and as old as the gun.

After shooting 20 rounds on the rest I tried it at 100 yards from a sitting position, more or less free hand using my knees to steady my hands. I hit two of 4 shots the other two didn't even hit the 18x24" target. Could be my bad shooting or I'm afraid of the gun! I did a lot better with the 22 but it is lighter as well. Clearly my shooting needs to improve but I wonder how much of it is the gun, it has gotten progressively worse shooting over the years.

JimmieA.
 
The scope is worrisome, as is possible flinching. I would get somebody else to shoot it and/or try a different scope before spending any money on it. Try moving it up to around 50 yards and see what it does. If there are any accuracy problems it is more than likely the scope or shooter (that is, after you cleaned it).
 
i hate to say it, but it sounds like you are the problem for the most part. You admit yourself you have a flinch and are a bit afraid of it. Many laugh at this, but ive seen first hand 3006 give people serious flinches. It can be stiff, and i find it is what most people max out at in terms of recoil.

Now, I dont know about older models, but my dad has a 2006 vintage 7600 and it shoots about 1.5 MOA, has touched 1.25 MOA. Not fantastic, but not bad for a hunting rig either.

I'd work on improving your technique. Try and find a partner who can help you with the flinch.
 
My Model 6 is a tack driver. If I can't cloverleaf bullets at 50 yards, it is because my eyes aren't what they used to be. From a solid rest, the gun (with my handloads) impresses.

Shooting should be something you look forward to so double up on the hearing protection - plugs and muffs and put an old towel or shirt between the butt and your shoulder to take the bite out of the recoil.
 
Okay I have to ask. Can you post a pic of your 7600 with the muzzlebrake on it? :)

I've had a few 7600's and all were good shooters. Are you using sandbags?
 
Is this a 2.5 inch group of 3 or 5 shots? It does not sound like you have shot it alot since 1984 so I doubt you have shot out the barrel. If everything is tight then more likely you are flinching and or your rest setup is not the best. You said it was loud, wearing good ear protectors helps with flinching.

When you cleaned it did you use the a good copper remover or just hoppes #9? It may need a really good cleaning to get all the copper out.

BTW, lots of us suffer from the flinch on the bench with some calibres. The 30 06 is not exactly light shooting off the bench in my oppinion.

As requested, pictures of the break would be awesome. :D
 
Well I have the pictures but it looks like I have to use a hosting site to show them here. Is that how this works? Anyway it is a screw on muzzle brake on the end of the barrel, done by a gun smith years ago.

JimmieA.


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Well I think there is a picture that works. You have to cut and paste it to your location bar. This link will eventually be removed.

I think I will go back to the range again and practive shooting the 22 before the 30-06. I improved my technique after a while with the 22. I am using good ear muffs but the muzzle brake makes it way louder. The SOB does kick a lot. I have almost everything to start reloading so I'll lighten up the loads, maybe to 308 levels. The group is 4 shots, one clip. It started 5 inches to right 4 inches high, than 2 inches to right 2 inches high and ended up maybe one inch to right and about 1 inch high. But I had no good groups to be for sure on the settings. I need to quit waving the barrel around and for sure no flinch. Have to trick myself with a dud round in there somewhere to see if I flinch. No flinch on the 22 as about one in 20 fail to fire. I have a Predator shooting rest.

JimmieA.
 
Take the muzzle brake off. Sound plays a large part of a flinch. Also look at getting a really good pad put on it.

If all else fails, get a new gun. Theirs no point in owning a gun you are tentative to shoot. In my experience .308s are generally much tamer then 3006 yet still as effective for the majority of hunting situations (really, how often are you shooting moose past 300m?)
 
The gun has a big shoulder pad on it. I'm going today to get some reloading stuff and I will try to reload down to 308 levels. Around here there shouldn't be any long shots like I had in Alberta, 400 yards was not uncommon out in Peace River country. I may never get a moose licence in NB either. I'm mostly concerned that the scope is FUBAR but have to get my techneque better before I get into the scope I guess. I didn't keep the target but doubt that the groups were even close to 3 inches, maybe 5 inches is closer.

Thanks for the input guys. I'll let you know if anything changes.

JimmieA.
 
I have one in 243...brand new actually and it shoots very well. I would note that if yours is light, like mine, then in a 30-06, it will pack a bit of a whallop, and you may be flinching as you squeeze the trigger.

When I test my rifles, I benchrest completely. Our range has some good rests for our use. I take time to line the scope perfectly with the target, and the only part of me touching the rifle is my trigger finger, cheek on stock and shoulder.

On two occasions, I was able to determine that I had a pooched scope. The rest have all been my poor shooting skills, which I am working on.

Good luck to you.
 
Went to The Gun Dealer in McAdam today. He said put a bore scope on it and adjust the left-right or up-down and if the scope is bad the cross hairs move weird not like their supposed to. Going to have to try that out.

Well I'm $800 poorer! Bought 2000 9mm projectiles, 2000 45 Auto projectiles, 400 30 cal projectiles, 2 #s of power, 3000 primers for small pistol and large rifle, and a few assorted other bits. The wife just does not understand! Had my poor little DR650 bike. The licence plate was dragging on the pavement, had a job to keep it on the road for the 250 Km to get the shyte home! I spent about $40 on gas, I'm willing to bet the shipping bill would be more than that.

JimmieA.
 
I went back to the range again today. I shot some before grabbing the 30-06. I was able to get three decent groups. I always seem to have one flyer in a group but three of 4 were around 1.25 inch, and 4/4 were around 2.5 inch at 100 yards. This is on a bench using a rest. I think that is about as good as the gun has ever been so I'm happy with it. I'm about 2 inch high at 100 yards so that is about what I want as well. After 12 rounds my shoulder was getting sore as well. That sucker packs a punch. I'm going to start loading my own next week I think.

Thanks for the thoughts guys.

JimmieA.
 
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