Remington 770 or Savage 111 ?

I vote for Savage. Or if you can get the stevens for $350 (I think), get new rings and bases $40, and keep your eye on the EE and get a half decent scope $200.

Not much more $$$ but you might have a bit better package right at the get go.

Don't get me wrong though, I have a savage package gun in 300mag and I love it.

If you need something to get you out the door and shooting right away, the package gun is the way to go. I found over time and as I could afford it, that you will want to upgrade some of those things. The scope is a little lacking but I hunted with it for years before I decided to change it out, and while that is off I might as well do the rings and bases for a whopping $40 more bucks.

My $0.02.
 
Remington always had a good name but they are trying to cater to the lower end market.
Go with the Savage, they have more experience putting quality in a low priced package.
 
srt4u2nv said:
stay away from the 770 like the plague! it has a pressed in barrel for starters.
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Nothing wrong with the "pressed in barrel" The bolt locks up in the barrel not the action.

Having said that I would pick the Savage or a Stevens 200 because personally I don't like the integrated trigger guard and sling swivels of the 770. I would pick a 700 SPS varmint or even an SPS over the Savage/Stevens.
 
woolly said:
Nothing wrong with the "pressed in barrel" The bolt locks up in the barrel not the action.

Having said that I would pick the Savage or a Stevens 200 because personally I don't like the integrated trigger guard and sling swivels of the 770. I would pick a 700 SPS varmint or even an SPS over the Savage/Stevens.
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:eek:lmao :kickInTheNuts:
 
I won't say the 770 is a better rifle then the Savage, but I have to laugh when I see the pressed in barrel thing come up again and again. Yes the bolt lugs do in fact lock into the barrel, not the reciever as they do on most rifles. That does in fact give the 'accuracy advantage' (If such a thing exists) to the rifles with similar bolt/actions. Is anyone who says it's a bad thing familier with the Weatherby MK V? It's a highly respected rifle, and it too has the bolt lugs locking up into the barrel. And I can even go so far as to say the Remington 710/770 system is better. (que the moans and groans)

Why? The MK V magnum action actually has 9 lugs that go into the breech and lock up. Unfortunatly it doesn't seem to work that way. One local fellow I know and who's opinion I trust more then any other firearms enthusiast ever, period, did a little test several years ago. He coated a MK V's lugs with grease and closed the bolt. His findings? Only 3 of the 9 lugs actually locked up and made real contact. And if your familier with the Weatherby rifles, their not very big lugs. But the MK V is still a highly praised rifle, thanks to the fact it came about before internet experts could preach about how poor the rifle really is. (And I know several other very experianced shooters who want nothing to do with them, but that's another story) Say what you will, the 710/770 bolt locks up very tight, and there is nothing wrong with that system.

The other argument that keeps coming up on this topic is that you can't rebarrel the action. Who cares? Of all the millions upon millions of rifles that are floating around out there, it's a very, very small percentage of rifles that get rebarreled. The fact is these rifles aren't designed to be bench rest rifles, or varmint rifles. They will never see a thousand rounds through their bore in a single lifetime. And I will bet a large amount of money you will never see one being shot out. And the guys who look at these rifles want a rifle to hunt with, not a platform to build a full out custom in a wildcat chambering.

And I'll say it again, if you want a varmint rifle, buy a varmint rifle. The Savage 110 base rifle may be accurate, but it's not a varmint rifle. There are plenty of good buys on the EE that will serve you better. If you want a hunting rifle, either of your choices will do the job, you just need to see which one you like better, not what everyone else likes better.
 
Actually I have owned a mark v in 340w. Have you or is it another somebody said story. Read the 4 pages of comments and then there is your opinion. Who is wasting time.:dancingbanana::dancingbanana:
 
manbearpig said:
you westerners gotta remember that groundhogs are NOT gophers.

gophers:
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unfortunately, my barrel has never overheated from shooting groundhogs in Ontario. if anyone knows a spot in Ontario where id need a heavy contour barrel due to the volume of groundhog shooting - please let me know :)
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Another vote for Savage.

Here is another pic of a gopher, this one has already met with a 223 - 55 grain V-Max
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pharaoh2 said:
I won't say the 770 is a better rifle then the Savage, but I have to laugh when I see the pressed in barrel thing come up again and again. Yes the bolt lugs do in fact lock into the barrel, not the reciever as they do on most rifles. That does in fact give the 'accuracy advantage' (If such a thing exists) to the rifles with similar bolt/actions.
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it has nothing at all to do with 'accuracy'. the entire gun is a disposable POS.
would you buy a car if the wheels were permanently press-fit onto the axles? the cylinder head welded to the block? the transmission made of plastic?

the 710/770 is the worst firearm investment in the history of mankind. if it were $150, i would maybe see the point of buying one - but at the $480 theyre going for now they are an absolute joke.
 
I bought the 770 right before Christmas. What a POS. I hated it. I never shot it but I don't care if it was a good shooter or not, it's not a $500 rifle for all the reasons these guys have already mentioned and then some. I took it back and got the Savage 111 instead. I'm MUCH happier.
 
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