Remington 783 Light Primer Strikes???

[Potashminer]

Is everyone having issues with new rifles right out the box or is this issue creeping in with use? I have 2 783 rifles. 223 and 308 and have yet to have any issues. Wondering if I should have a wolf spring on hand?

At the time that we had the misfires, I was advised (maybe on CGN?) that 783 will likely have minimal acceptable everything - just "good enough" to work when new. So, when I finally found a Canadian source for Wolff Springs, I ordered three of them. Just now waiting for what will be the next thing to give out on that rifle - is not likely to last like a military Mauser or that sort of rifle. I believe it is made to sell for maximum profit - made cheapest way possible.

There is a CGN poster who uses the 783 as basis for his competition rifles - he told me that he replaces the firing pin springs, for every shooting season - so he views doing that as a regular maintenance item - was the first firing pin spring that I had ever swapped due to misfires.

If you do get a spare spring - have in mind how you would make it shorter - I fashioned a large 3/16" thick "heat shield" that I could turn the coil wire through - left a couple coils on one side to be able to heat red hot, without the coils on other side of heat shield getting that hot. I believe just random heat applied willy nilly will kill the "spring" in a coil - need to manage the heat somehow - to make it soft to be able to bend and file it.

For better or worse, what I used at the time was Wolff brand firing pin springs for Short Action Remington Model 700 - 28 pounds rating. If I remember correctly, was two coils removed from that. I have no clue what the weight rating of the original firing pin spring in a Rem 783 is. It is in my mind that I wanted 24 pound rated replacements, but could not find any to buy. The person that I communicated with at Corlanes in B.C. said that these Short Action 28 pound springs were the ones they were using to modify for the 783's that were brought into their shop. The 783 that I was playing with was chambered in 243 Win - again, I do not know if those rifles came in differing action lengths or not - goes to size/length of firing pin spring that might be needed?

 

[cigar_man]

Is everyone having issues with new rifles right out the box or is this issue creeping in with use? I have 2 783 rifles. 223 and 308 and have yet to have any issues. Wondering if I should have a wolf spring on hand?

Mine was right out of the box, old stock from years ago.

As far as a spring, I guess it would not hurt to have one on hand.

 

[Neilm]

Are you shooting 223 or 556. I had a Savage that was fine with commercial 223 but had a lot of misfires with 5.56 because they use a lot harder primers to prevent slam fires

Sorry I missed the post where you were using Winchester primers.

 

[cigar_man]

Are you shooting 223 or 556. I had a Savage that was fine with commercial 223 but had a lot of misfires with 5.56 because they use a lot harder primers to prevent slam fires

Sorry I missed the post where you were using Winchester primers.

Most where hand-loads that did not fire, my other "Factory Federal 55 grainers seemed to be OK.

Now that I think of it, I even fired a few Military IVI and they worked OK.

I definitely have too long of firing pin protrusion, so I need to nip that back and I will also try the Wolff 700 spring change.

I like this rifle setup (.223 Heavy Barrel with laminated beaver-tale stock - Old School - just the way I like it) and as I said before, I have had rifles in the past with Gremlins, so I'm willing to work this out.

 

[Potashminer]

cigar man - if you think you have excess firing pin protrusion - maybe take a look where that thing screws in or where the stop shoulder might be - is perhaps an easier fix to remove a burr or something - perhaps install a shim - versus trying to re-grind a firing pin tip and loose x number of thousandths of an inch and retain the correct shape? From playing with some other firing pins - I do not think they are "soft" - I think they might be heat treated - or at least the end part might be - so not likely to "snip" one - maybe can not even file it - and using a grinder might go through the heat treat depth - depending how that was done? A pure guess - I have never done so.

 

[Why not?]

I have had two 783s that occasionally would misfire with light strikes to the primer. The 300 Win Mag was fixed by a good thorough cleaning of the disassembled bolt. It was clogged with grease.

The 30-06 still elicits the occasional misfire, and the primer is always barely dented. Fired cases show a very distinct indentation.

Contacted Remington, https://www.remington.com/support.html, and the repair tech told me it probably needs a replacement firing pin. Apparently it is a known issue, but is not covered by warranty by the new Remington company.

Going to give the existing pin a good polishing, and see if that smartens it up.

Ted

 

[mileageman]

At the time that we had the misfires, I was advised (maybe on CGN?) that 783 will likely have minimal acceptable everything - just "good enough" to work when new. So, when I finally found a Canadian source for Wolff Springs, I ordered three of them. Just now waiting for what will be the next thing to give out on that rifle - is not likely to last like a military Mauser or that sort of rifle. I believe it is made to sell for maximum profit - made cheapest way possible.

There is a CGN poster who uses the 783 as basis for his competition rifles - he told me that he replaces the firing pin springs, for every shooting season - so he views doing that as a regular maintenance item - was the first firing pin spring that I had ever swapped due to misfires.

If you do get a spare spring - have in mind how you would make it shorter - I fashioned a large 3/16" thick "heat shield" that I could turn the coil wire through - left a couple coils on one side to be able to heat red hot, without the coils on other side of heat shield getting that hot. I believe just random heat applied willy nilly will kill the "spring" in a coil - need to manage the heat somehow - to make it soft to be able to bend and file it.

For better or worse, what I used at the time was Wolff brand firing pin springs for Short Action Remington Model 700 - 28 pounds rating. If I remember correctly, was two coils removed from that. I have no clue what the weight rating of the original firing pin spring in a Rem 783 is. It is in my mind that I wanted 24 pound rated replacements, but could not find any to buy. The person that I communicated with at Corlanes in B.C. said that these Short Action 28 pound springs were the ones they were using to modify for the 783's that were brought into their shop. The 783 that I was playing with was chambered in 243 Win - again, I do not know if those rifles came in differing action lengths or not - goes to size/length of firing pin spring that might be needed?

What was you Canadian Source for Wolff Springs?

 

[Potashminer]

I replied to your PM - I got them at Corlane Sporting Goods, in Dawson Creek, B.C. - October 2021 - paid by VISA $69.96 for three springs -28 pounds for Rem 700 Short Action - mailed to me in Manitoba.