Remington 870 DM (detachable magazine)
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My 8 shot Ithaca 37 is miles ahead of those contraptions.
Mag fed shotguns are tremendously versatile and useful for some applications. Many people only use their shotgun for a single purpose, often involving only loading 2 or 3 rounds, so they may not understand the appeal of a mag fed shotgun. That's okay though, since Remigton is still going to be making regular 870's for them to use.
It remains to be seen whether Remington will stay in business long enough to build many shotguns of any type.
What would some of those applications be for the shooting public they are marketed towards?
I would be one of those persons. I see those mag fed 870s as far less versatile/practical then the old system.
Big clunky, hard to carry mags are all the fad right now on rifles and now shotguns. It has nothing to do with "useful" and everything to do with visual "cool".
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I would be one of those persons. I see those mag fed 870s as far less versatile/practical then the old system.
Big clunky, hard to carry mags are all the fad right now on rifles and now shotguns. It has nothing to do with "useful" and everything to do with visual "cool".
I sure wouldn’t want that big obtrusive mag hanging down in my way even for a self defense gun. Alot easier to pick up and get a smooth clean line gun into action fast than something bulky.
Man the boys are sensitive week on here. I think we have to have a group hug
DM in a shotgun is nothing new and they never functioned well as in a rifle from my experiences with them
I sure hope remington can do better than this
Time for a game changer like in 1951 when they came out with the 870 not this crap IMO
Cheers
DM in a shotgun is nothing new and they never functioned well as in a rifle from my experiences with them
I sure hope remington can do better than this
Time for a game changer like in 1951 when they came out with the 870 not this crap IMO
Cheers
What would some of those applications be for the shooting public they are marketed towards?
I would be one of those persons. I see those mag fed 870s as far less versatile/practical then the old system.
Big clunky, hard to carry mags are all the fad right now on rifles and now shotguns. It has nothing to do with "useful" and everything to do with visual "cool".
I think you pretty much covered my thoughts right there.
If the DBM was practical in any way shape or form, the military would consider it. The marines use a Benelli with tube mag...
The ONLY possible advantage would be the weapon can be charged more quickly with an already full mag and/or an operator could transition between slugs, buckshot, or breaching loads. In combat, I don’t think what kind of lead is going downrange is an issue. Buckshot and slugs will perform as a breaching round in a pinch. No purpose for hunting.
The ONLY possible advantage would be the weapon can be charged more quickly with an already full mag and/or an operator could transition between slugs, buckshot, or breaching loads. In combat, I don’t think what kind of lead is going downrange is an issue. Buckshot and slugs will perform as a breaching round in a pinch. No purpose for hunting.
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I like mag fed shotguns, that being said I don't hunt with mine. It's heavier with a full mag inserted and I'll have to limit my mag to 2, although now that I have a dedicated slug barrel I will hunt with it a bit. In BC shot is limited to 2+1, slugs have no limit imposed.
Mags are nice with regard to loading or unloading when getting in and out of a vehicle, are quick to change from birdshot to buck to slugs if you have mags loaded with each. That said it's not hard to top up a tube and with a mag fed its near impossible to load one quickly through the port on an open bolt like a tube fed shotgun as the mag follower is in the way. I don't find the mag gets in the way if you sling it over your shoulder or have it across your chest.
So, they aren't for everyone depending on your intended use. Are they fun to use and shoot, sure are. Most people either love them or hate them, I personally love mine.
Where it really shines is in the short barrel dept. for predator defense. If you have an 8.5" or 12.5" grizzly you only get 2+1 or 3+1 in total, mag fed grizzly hold 5 in the mag, barrel and tube mag length doesn't come into play.
Mags are nice with regard to loading or unloading when getting in and out of a vehicle, are quick to change from birdshot to buck to slugs if you have mags loaded with each. That said it's not hard to top up a tube and with a mag fed its near impossible to load one quickly through the port on an open bolt like a tube fed shotgun as the mag follower is in the way. I don't find the mag gets in the way if you sling it over your shoulder or have it across your chest.
So, they aren't for everyone depending on your intended use. Are they fun to use and shoot, sure are. Most people either love them or hate them, I personally love mine.
Where it really shines is in the short barrel dept. for predator defense. If you have an 8.5" or 12.5" grizzly you only get 2+1 or 3+1 in total, mag fed grizzly hold 5 in the mag, barrel and tube mag length doesn't come into play.
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I can only wonder how many people that mention large capacity magazines for protection from animals, have ever experienced an attack by a bear or other animal first hand. I have been on the receiving end of a charging grizzly, and had I not made the first shot count, I would have been very lucky to get a second shot off, let alone a third, fourth or fifth shot. Why do you suppose that most dangerous game guides use bolt action rifles or double rifles? They are well aware that they must make the first or second shot count, as their just isn't time to empty four or five, or eight shots at a charging animal.
Butcherbill
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I won't argue with you on that, I do live in bear country and yes grizzly as well as blacks but I have yet to have a bad bear encounter.
I guess I should have worded it differently, it shines in capacity at short barrel lengths. Regardless of if you have the time to get off more than one shot, I'd still want to have 5 available than 2.
What would some of those applications be for the shooting public they are marketed towards?
The advantage of a detachable magazine on any firearm is that you can go from empty to fully loaded in a fraction of the time that it takes to manually load a non detach magazine. I'm sure most of us can understand that.
We all know about how versatile a shotgun can be, because of the ability to completely change it's characteristics from quail shooter to dangerous game killer, just by swapping ammunition.
Plenty of people in rural areas keep a shotgun handy to deal with predators and pests. Having a mag fed shotgun with different tyopes of ammunition in seperate magazines gives you the ability to quickly choose what is needed at that time, and load up with 5 rounds very quickly. It's what I do- I have a magazine with smaller shot for pests, one with buckshot for coyotes or cougars and one with slugs for bears. You can load swiftly and unload swiftly and easily, without having to eject the shells one at a time. This is useful in a farmhouse, cabin, barn, truck. ATV or even a city home if the occupant feels the need to maintain a home defense firearm for 2 legged predators.
This ability to quickly load and unload with minimal fuss is especially desirable in Canada, to comply with our ridiculous storage and transport laws.
For hunting applications, a detachable magazine on a shotgun can be desirable the same way a rifle with a detach mag is.
- Hunters who are in and out of vehicles or load/unload often for any other reason find detach mags useful
- Hunters in BC and presumably other places with often carry a grouse gun with them in their truck or ATV, to shoot grouse for dinner or lunch on their way to and from moose or deer hunting. These guns are often 10/22's or shotguns, and a quick to load detach magazine shotgun would serve this purpose well.
- Some areas only allow shotgun hunting for both big game and small game and birds. There are times when you may encouter both on the same hunt. So, you set out with some buckshot for deer but you run into some grouse. Pop out the buckshot mag and insert the birdshot load and you are in business- quickly.
- This has happened to me- go out for a walk grouse hunting and then run into a grumpy bear that wants to bully you. Again, pop out the #6 shot mag and in goes the mag of slugs. I didn't have any slugs with me to put into my 20g Browning O/U that time, but I sure loaded a few up with me after that. A mag fed would be faster to swap ammo and never leave you with a comp0pletely unloaded shotgun, either.
You don't need to "carry" a big and clunky magazine. The 2 round ones designed for hunting purposes don't protrude much past the mag well. It's not something that makes a shotgun "hard to carry."
Probably becuase you have never used a detach mag shotgun. Not everyone can see outside thier own little box.There are some instances I would rather have a tube fed shotgun, other times I would far prefer a detach mag shotgun.
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I'll stick my neck way out here and give my 2 cents worth.
Firstly i have no use for a detachable magazine in ANY hunting rifle.
I have even less use for one in a shotgun..
My opinion only and worth exactly what it cost you.
Firstly i have no use for a detachable magazine in ANY hunting rifle.
I have even less use for one in a shotgun..
My opinion only and worth exactly what it cost you.
The plug removed from a traditional pump shotgun has a magazine (tube) capacity of three and one in the chamber and the ability to ghost feed one or two more is still way better than the new and improved silly looking box magazine idea.
But, thats my opinion for what ever it i worth.
Rob
Butcherbill
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Not that there's anything wrong with a traditional tube fed shotgun, I'll still reach for my mag fed if I'm not hunting. It works great and I like the way it handles.
In my little box it seems to me that for all the advantages you state, a SxS shotgun would be a better choice even yet. Given what you say is true, a serious bear defence gun application for this gun would only apply to very few people. Remington is selling this to catch the mag fad without any thought to practical usage.
Remington should offer it with bipod, muzzle break and scary skull face camo to really drum up sales.
The EE will soon be full of these described as "once fondled" along side all the other useless junk gamers buy and shortly thereafter sell.
The EE will soon be full of these described as "once fondled" along side all the other useless junk gamers buy and shortly thereafter sell.
