Remington 870 vs Winchester SXP

I was thinking about buying a Wingmaster on sale for $655 until I read some of the bad reviews on WSS...

#1 Bought a 12 guage wingmaster just over a year ago. Aside from looking good, the gun has never worked 100% right. It has always been a liability when cycling shells, ejecting properly only about 1/2 the time since buying it. Have tried several ammo types and lent it to freinds for their verdict, and all say my wingmaster is a lemon. Given we have maybe put 200 shells through it so far, I'm disappointed.

I would not recommend this to a friend

#2 Cons

Heavy
Jams often
Malfunctions alot
Poor Construction
Poor Ergonomics
Poor finish
Wears Out Easily

I bought this gun a while back. Not to much to say about it, Its not that great, The quality isnt there it has its problems I would not recommend this gun to anyone.



Either they are out to lunch or the new ones aren't like the old ones... the good reviews are guys writing about the older Wingmaster's, it seems.
 
my buddy's sxp (which I use a fair bit) has a problem where it gets jammed because the bolt twists slightly when it bounces back (that recoil assisted pump) after firing. only way to get it unstuck is to smack the butt end on a log or something. Probably happens every 20 rounds and is pretty annoying. I have heard other sxp owners have this problem as well. However, my brother has an sxp and hasn't noticed this issue

however, outside of that, it's a nice gun. Ergonomics are good (i love the slide release spot. much better than on my BPS).
 
skimmer said:
After what they did to Marlin I don't even buy their ammo. In my opinion if they opened a funeral home people would stop dying.

Interesting what you said about the PA-08. I've never held one or really even looked. Care to start a review thread or post some pictures so people can look and the 870/500 crowd can throw mud?
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Bought my Pa a PA-08 3 years ago, when you pick it up and shoulder it you'll think you're holding a synthetic 870. When Weatherby called them the 4x4 of pump shotguns they meant it. I got it for him to duck hunt with and that gun has seen it all, took a swim once too got dumped out and kept on for the rest of the day. Only things I can say I don't like about it after using his for a week of duck hunting. Get a limbsaver recoil pad if you wanna shoot 3" or take a beatin your choice, and kent ammo sometimes doesn't eject well cause there hulls are a smidge longer or the guns ejection port is a bit smaller I'm not sure. Either way 3" Kents are the only shell it's ever even thought of having trouble with. Everything mechanically is a 870 or damn close.

The PA-08 is one tough mudderfudder!
 
X-man said:
I don't know of a single guy who bought a Remington 870 Wingmaster and regretted it. There is a reason why Remington sold literally millions of them, even before they introduced their entry level Express line.
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You've now met one, I had continuous issues with mine failing to fire reliably, after 2 trips to the gunsmith, it was traded for a SXS.
 
Maritime Storm said:
You've now met one, I had continuous issues with mine failing to fire reliably, after 2 trips to the gunsmith, it was traded for a SXS.
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Just courious?? What year was it. I have 2 dozen or so I think still in my collection plus or minus a few and still have not seen anything I could not correct very easily and that was very uncommon
That being said the newest one I have is 2006
Wonder if they changed them since then
Then again when you sell like 12 million 870's I guess a couple have to have some issues
Cheers
 
Between the 500, 870 and sxp it is about feel and fit. Any gun can have a problem. I happen to have an sxp, but my buddy has an 870. I liked the sxp feel better. Neither has had any problems, although my buddy's 870 sometimes got hung up with winchester shells which he does not use anymore. You won't go wrong with any of them, get the one that feels the best to you. At that price point any of them can have issues initially, so it is more of a lottery that you get a good one.

However, if you want to get it all tac'd up the 870 does have the best aftermarket bits and pieces... If you are into that sort of thing.
 
3macs; Mine was an early 80's Wingmaster Combo, 2 3/4" chambers, Fixed 28" barrel & 20" smootbore slug barrel. It would be reliable at the last for 2 rounds of skeet, then about half through the 3rd round it simply wouldn't fire when you pull the trigger. I'd drop the trigger group, clean it with action cleaner, put it back together. Sometimes it wouldn't act up for another couple of rounds. The local smith at the time looked at it twice, couldn't find the issue.
 
Maritime Storm said:
3macs; Mine was an early 80's Wingmaster Combo, 2 3/4" chambers, Fixed 28" barrel & 20" smootbore slug barrel. It would be reliable at the last for 2 rounds of skeet, then about half through the 3rd round it simply wouldn't fire when you pull the trigger. I'd drop the trigger group, clean it with action cleaner, put it back together. Sometimes it wouldn't act up for another couple of rounds. The local smith at the time looked at it twice, couldn't find the issue.
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Thanks. Well there was no real junk parts in a early 80's wingmaster that is for sure. Hard to tell now but from what I am reading the trigger was not being totally cleaned and some gunk was being missed
I have seen them where this happens and the trigger housing group gets working sluggish like yours and nothing can be found. Those I will wash them in soap and boiling hot water, then dry it with a hair dryer and finally spray it down with Breakfree, followed by some syn stag oil
The problem goes away
Cheers
 
st1264 said:
I was thinking about buying a Wingmaster on sale for $655 until I read some of the bad reviews on WSS...

#1 Bought a 12 guage wingmaster just over a year ago. Aside from looking good, the gun has never worked 100% right. It has always been a liability when cycling shells, ejecting properly only about 1/2 the time since buying it. Have tried several ammo types and lent it to freinds for their verdict, and all say my wingmaster is a lemon. Given we have maybe put 200 shells through it so far, I'm disappointed.

I would not recommend this to a friend

#2 Cons

Heavy
Jams often
Malfunctions alot
Poor Construction
Poor Ergonomics
Poor finish
Wears Out Easily

I bought this gun a while back. Not to much to say about it, Its not that great, The quality isnt there it has its problems I would not recommend this gun to anyone.



Either they are out to lunch or the new ones aren't like the old ones... the good reviews are guys writing about the older Wingmaster's, it seems.
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I have one of the new Wingmasters, I have absolutely zero regrets about it. It compares very well with my 1980's and 1970's Wingmasters. I don't doubt that its possible some buyers have received lemons, but I believe its possible to get that with any mass produced product. I know I've seen Benellis, Winchesters, Mossbergs and Brownings that had issues straight out of the box. For 655 I would be more than willing to roll the dice.
 
FLHTCUI said:
Buy a Remington Wingmaster and you will only cry once as you will have bought only once.
A True Waterfowlers shotgun, but of course everyone will have an opinion as to how to spend your money.
There are less moving parts, ease of take down and very few things to mess up.
Did I mention the wood on these guns are beautiful too .
Next Please.
Rob
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:agree: I have 3 of them.
 
Jim870 said:
I have one of the new Wingmasters, I have absolutely zero regrets about it. It compares very well with my 1980's and 1970's Wingmasters. I don't doubt that its possible some buyers have received lemons, but I believe its possible to get that with any mass produced product. I know I've seen Benellis, Winchesters, Mossbergs and Brownings that had issues straight out of the box. For 655 I would be more than willing to roll the dice.
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I missed the sale. Not going to pay $820 for one now :HR:
 
I have 3 Wingmasters , 1 12 ga , dating back to the early 50's , a 20 dating to the late 50's and a newer one from the late 90's. These have seen a lot of ammo thru them, and they have been almost flawless in goose pits, mud, rain, snow and salt water enviornments. The only issue I have had was on the 20 ga , when the trigger sear became so worn it needed to be filed flat again after 40 years of shooting.

There is realy no comparing the Wingmaster to the tupper-ware economy guns for todays low budget market.
Unfortunately they retained the 870 in the new name budget guns, and far to many people consider all 870's the same as a Wingmaster. They are not the same guns.
Parts will interchange , but you get what you pay for.

If it doesn't say Wingmaster it isn't a Wingmaster.
 
Yeah I like all 3 (Win - Rem - Mossy)

But If I could only keep one I'de go with the Mossy.

Just more user friendly. The safety and bolt release are in the better position. Not to mention the Mossy is easier to load and unload. The shell elevator tucks up under the bolt unlike the spring loaded finger jamming Win - Rem. The 590 can be easily unloaded without cycling the bolt.

Pony up the extra and buy a 590A1.
 
Ghost~Rider said:
Yeah I like all 3 (Win - Rem - Mossy)

But If I could only keep one I'de go with the Mossy.

Just more user friendly. The safety and bolt release are in the better position. Not to mention the Mossy is easier to load and unload. The shell elevator tucks up under the bolt unlike the spring loaded finger jamming Win - Rem. The 590 can be easily unloaded without cycling the bolt.

Pony up the extra and buy a 590A1.
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The Wingmaster can be unloaded without pumping each shell out too. Just hit that retainer and the tube dumps.
 
Administrative unloading should never be done by racking the action. Would you ever unload a 1911 that way? Racking the slide back, stripping a round from the mag, chambering it under a cocked hammer and then repeating?

Makes a lot more sense to pull the forearm back almost all the way, grab the shell from the port, pop up the lifter, finish pulling back the forearm to get the next shell out of the mag, and then disengage the mag tube stop for each shell.

The shells stay out of the chamber and off the ground.

FF
 
X-man said:
I don't know of a single guy who bought a Remington 870 Wingmaster and regretted it. There is a reason why Remington sold literally millions of them, even before they introduced their entry level Express line.
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^^ These are true words! ^^ ...... OP should heed them.
 
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