Remington 870's in 16 Gauge - discussion

Did the Wingmaster not have a flexi tab system in it? I would think it should as a post-2000 gun.

The extractor could be an easy fix and you could probably have found replacement 16 latches, if desired. When mine gets here, that whole j lock affair is going into the scrap pile. I'm going to convert to left hand anyhow :).
 
Claven2 said:
3macs1: Do you have a ringmaster variant of the late production 16? Any chances of coaxing a pic out of you?
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Yes I do and sorry but the pic would be a problem right now since I have no idea what locker or safe it is in and all of my guns are in socks and not easy to ID other than the ones I keep seperate and use. They are together in one place
Not to mention it is new never fired and coated with stag grease. I see it maybe twice a year when I go through them all just to make sure nothing needs some more coating
What info do you need from it. I know where the spare new 2nd gen wingmaster 16ga extra barrel with choke tubes is I think. That I could get my daughter to take a pic of if that helps any
Cheers
 
madtrapper143 said:
The late production 16 Wing master I had was plagued with problems. It went back for warranty work 3 times before I gave up on it. I have owned 3 Express models and none of them had any problems what so ever. These were late production 16 bores as well. First time sent back the extractor was not cut properly for 16 gauge cartridges, they often would be left in the chamber as the extractor would slide off the case head. (case was not stuck, you could shake it out) Second time it went back the J lock safety would sometimes work its way into a half #### position causing issues ie: fail to fire. The third and last time it went back the cartridge stop would let in two cartridges. Found that out on a South Dakota pheasant hunt.:mad: It was traded soon after that . I feel the extractor and the shell stop issues were due to poorly modified 12 gauge parts in a 16 gauge gun. As for the J lock that was just a piece of crap design from the get go. Funny my current Express has a J lock and it has been fine. I don't use it at all but it functions like it should. Another thing I like about my current gun is that it is equipped with the "Flexi Tab" system to prevent a cartridge from getting stuck under the carrier.

Darryl
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Interesting for sure. Mine has never been fired so hopefully some day it will not be the same. J lock problems I have had on other ones also in the past i.e. a 20ga for sure. Did yours come from Epps by any chance way back like 2002/2003
Cheers
 
Claven2 said:
Did the Wingmaster not have a flexi tab system in it? I would think it should as a post-2000 gun.

The extractor could be an easy fix and you could probably have found replacement 16 latches, if desired. When mine gets here, that whole j lock affair is going into the scrap pile. I'm going to convert to left hand anyhow :).
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Flex tab was much earlier than that more like 85/86 and the two 2nd gen 16ga express and wingmaster have it if I recall correctly as did pretty much all after 87
Cheers
 
Claven2 said:
ok, now I'm curious, why do you have that? Assuming it's a 28" version?
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Ahh because I have maybe 6 or 7 ;) more 16ga vintage 870's that includes two real rough puppies and I wanted it to add it to a upland gun I was going to put together some day in 16ga with an english stock I have stashed
I could not find one of the 23" barrels like Darryl has even brand new that is what I really wanted and ordered in a 26" VR I think it was with three rem chokes
I will see if I can get a pic when my daughter comes home. Bought it off a gun broker dealer state side and clay took it in for me
It was expensive I remember that well and must have been crazy in those days :)
Cheers
 
3macs1 said:
Interesting for sure. Mine has never been fired so hopefully some day it will not be the same. J lock problems I have had on other ones also in the past i.e. a 20ga for sure. Did yours come from Epps by any chance way back like 2002/2003
Cheers
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The bright side is that you can simply remove the J lock assembly and drop in a factory safety. Or in my case, I would put in a lefty version.
 
Claven2 said:
The bright side is that you can simply remove the J lock assembly and drop in a factory safety. Or in my case, I would put in a lefty version.
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Agree. But not in this one. It will be sold some day NIB when the time is right to the right guy or I die.
I am bad for stashing and collecting what I would think are worth saving new. Don't usually make any money off them but don't lose either other than a batch of DU guns I saved for 30 plus years, never again on those. That is why with many I like I keep two if I can afford it, one to shoot and one to save. As Darryl knows with the 1100 16ga :) Right guy, right home :) so the herd is reduced
Twenty years ago I did that with handguns and rifles also but they are all cleaned out now gone to new homes with just a handful left that I use but for some reason I just cannot seem to hit the shotguns so far for the most part which are mainly small gauges which I love not a big 12ga or 20ga fan so bare bones on those and none NIB other than one
I shoot left but honestly cannot stand a left hand safety or left hand shotgun
Just what one gets familiar with I think
Cheers
 
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Out of curiosity, what did a 16g WM cost back in 2002-2006? I'm assuming a tad less than now, but could be wrong. Fleur de lis wood?
 
Claven2 said:
Out of curiosity, what did a 16g WM cost back in 2002-2006? I'm assuming a tad less than now, but could be wrong. Fleur de lis wood?
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That wood was long gone in 2002. I am not 100% sure on the price since I preordered a 3 1/2 during that time also but $800 bucks rings a bell by the time I got it
maybe darryl will remember the price better
Sorry
Did you check out that link I posted there is a good pic there
The barrel I will never forget that was $450 by the time I got it :(
Cheers
 
Yikes on the bbl cost! I read the link but it must be a snapshot from 2002. For example an express with a 26" tube should not exist according to the article, yet I just bought one?!?
 
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Claven2 said:
Yikes in the bbl! I read the link but it must be a snapshot from 2002. For example an express with a 26" tube should not exist according to the article, yet I just bought one?!?
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Sorry I never seen the gun you bought but you also said it came with a full choke did you not?? which 100% never came with any 16ga express barrel new for sure
Did you save the pic of it
Cheers
 
I got some photos of if via e-mail. Will upload and post them shortly. Yes, the seller claims it has a FULL installed, but who knows? Could be MOD once the gun get here!?
 
OK, here are the pics of the gun. Again, these are the seller's photos, I don't have the gun yet. There looks to be some sort of magnetic fibre optic clip-on sight installed, which will get removed ASAP ;)

You can see where the chamber area necks down quickly like a 12g light contour barrel. hard to tell from these pics, but it sure looks like a 26" to me.

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Got me on this one
Remington only lists a wingmaster finish as a replacement or offering in 26" on the 2nd gen 16ga and the express from 2002-2005 wingmaster to 2006
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Remington Barrel Remington 870 Wingmaster 16 Gauge 2-3/4" 26" Rem Choke with Modified Choke Tube Vent Rib Remington # 246022.

As long as it is not a 28" cut back the 26" which I would be totally suprised , in fact shocked it is way better on that gun in 26"

Maybe they were using up old model 31 barrels again ;)

Some day when I find my remington catalogs again I will look at the 2002 to 2005 years to see what they say
Nice looking gun by the way. Not used much at all nor does it look like it was ever altered from new
Congrats :)
Cheers
 
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3macs1 said:
But it was ok for winchester to do the same on the model 12 16ga ,20ga & 28ga, all the same receiver blank were they not . Not to mention they used two different frames on their 12ga at least remington used just one there Humm
The only downfall to the 16ga was it not being a requirement in skeet. That killed it regardless of frame make or model. Only reason the 28ga is still with us today also
Cheers
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Agreed but the point of sub gauges would be a lighter fast handling gun. For what reason would one haul a 16 or 20 gauge around in the bush if it weighed as much or more than a 12? I shoot 16's regularly...at least 1K rounds per year. Love the gauge but not the selection and price of ammo. One of the 2 gauges where reloading pays off big dividends if one is a high volume shooter. My only dream would be the re-encarnation of the WW Compression formed 16 hull... or a new rem STS style hull. Federals load ok and the Cheddites will do in a pinch. Only 2-3 loads out of these before hull fails.
 
3macs1 said:
Got me on this one
Remington only lists a wingmaster finish as a replacement or offering in 26" on the 2nd gen 16ga and the express from 2002-2005 wingmaster to 2006
Actual barrel
Remington Barrel Remington 870 Wingmaster 16 Gauge 2-3/4" 26" Rem Choke with Modified Choke Tube Vent Rib Remington # 246022.

As long as it is not a 28" cut back the 26" which I would be totally suprised , in fact shocked it is way better on that gun in 26"

Maybe they were using up old model 31 barrels again ;)

Some day when I find my remington catalogs again I will look at the 2002 to 2005 years to see what they say
Nice looking gun by the way. Not used much at all nor does it look like it was ever altered from new
Congrats :)
Cheers
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By the way, is your NIB gun a 26 or a 28?

On this gun, I will know more when it gets here. For all I know, the original owner could have shortened the barrel and had it re-threaded for chokes, or he could have had a wingmaster barrel bead blasted and re-blued - I just don't know.
 
M12shooter said:
For what reason would one haul a 16 or 20 gauge around in the bush if it weighed as much or more than a 12?
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For what reason would someone lug around a .300H&H that weighs as much ore more than a .300WM?

I like 16 gauge, and in some cases, it may offer an advantage over the same power loads on a 12. Fewer pellets on target can be desirable in an upland gun as well, if you keep the choke tight. If you want full power game loads but are recoil sensitive, the extra weight might be a welcome "feature". Then there are the folks that just like to be different :)
 
M12shooter said:
Agreed but the point of sub gauges would be a lighter fast handling gun. For what reason would one haul a 16 or 20 gauge around in the bush if it weighed as much or more than a 12? I shoot 16's regularly...at least 1K rounds per year. Love the gauge but not the selection and price of ammo. One of the 2 gauges where reloading pays off big dividends if one is a high volume shooter. My only dream would be the re-encarnation of the WW Compression formed 16 hull... or a new rem STS style hull. Federals load ok and the Cheddites will do in a pinch. Only 2-3 loads out of these before hull fails.
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I hear you. I started with the 16ga in 1965 with my 1st new wingmaster so got familiar with the weight so it never bothered me
The old guys at the time told me to stash components but I waited and didnot stash nearly enough in hulls because they were hard to find when I decided to listen
Like you I would kill to be able to buy the AA again or a sts in 16ga I have a good supply of original blue AA wads but probally down to my last 8-10 boxes of old style hulls and only use them where I know I will not lose them in water or leaves. There like you it is crappy federals I reload
Like an idiot I sold a batch some years ago to a member on the 16ga site when I thought he was crazy offering 1.00 each for once fired, now I realize I was the crazy one for selling them. All I have left now is 8-10 boxes of these which are AA as you know
Those and the few remaining bags of the old remington wads which you would remember I treat like gold
Probaly should stop using up the original AA's also other than special reloads and go with claybusters. I assume they are OK like the others are in 16ga. I managed to buy 5000 when Irv closed but must be down to 2500 or less now

Not that is matters but I did keep two model 12's over the years, one is a 16ga :)
Cheers


 
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