Remington ammo
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Maybe it will get better.
Vista Outdoor, which is planning on spinning off its outdoor sports business unit into a separate company this year, will sell off its shooting sports businesses first in a $1.91 billion deal with Czechoslovak Group a.s. ("CSG"). CSG is acquiring four factories and the consumer brands CCI, Federal, HEVI-Shot, Remington and Speer.
Vista Outdoor, which is planning on spinning off its outdoor sports business unit into a separate company this year, will sell off its shooting sports businesses first in a $1.91 billion deal with Czechoslovak Group a.s. ("CSG"). CSG is acquiring four factories and the consumer brands CCI, Federal, HEVI-Shot, Remington and Speer.
skneub
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This is good to know , I have some older stuff still.
But my next purchase will be a diffrent brand
skneub
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No argument from me on that ;-)
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Biggest difference I noticed with factory Winchester, was a goldish-bronze color to its primer.
I was told this factory primer is sourced from China.
But I have zero idea if it affects usage. (punctured primer possible?) Is it thinner??
I was told this factory primer is sourced from China.
But I have zero idea if it affects usage. (punctured primer possible?) Is it thinner??
I haven't ever seen any other color from Winchester. Their primers are and always have been made in East Alton, Illinois. I do agree Winchester ammunition is not great regardless of the price tag. I like Remington ammunition aside from their rimfire which is absolutely terrible almost across the board. I have not had a chance to use anything made after their latest transfer though.
While I have usually had good performance from Federal ammunition, in some cartridges, I have been forced to use Winchester or Remington ammunition over the years because not every manufacturer makes ammo for all cartridges, or it isn't available and you are forced to buy what you can find, if you are not handloading.
I will say that some of the ammunition may not be the most accurate in your firearm, but acceptable accuracy is another matter and varies depending on what the shooter deems acceptable.
In a scoped rifle capable of MOA or better, 2 or 3" groups may be unacceptable. While in a open sighted lever action that usually isn't used for shots beyond 150 yards, this is sufficient accuracy for hunting big game.
For example, an open sighted 30-30 shooting 160 gr FTX bullets into 3" groups at 100 yards should place these bullets into a 4 1/2" group at 150 yards. A moose's vital zone is 12". So 4 1/2" from point of aim is still within a 9" circle at 150 yards.
This means that if the shooter does their part in the field, that load is acceptably accurate for moose (less than minute of moose) at that distance. Unfortunately, this load does not have what most deem acceptable energy for moose at this range, but does for deer. (although generations of moose hunters have accomplished this feat, as moose are not generally tenacious of life and can be taken with less powerful cartridges)
A deer's vital zone is 8", so is acceptable for deer at that range. Ammo that will produce 2" groups at 100 yards would be acceptable.
A big factor is that not all rifles will group the same bullet with the same degree of accuracy. There are no absolutes or guarantees as to what will shoot best in any given firearm. Some rifles shoot better with "cheap" ammo than they do with the premium ammo. And vice versa. And you won't know until you try it. Sometimes we are pleasantly surprised by what shoots best in our rifles! (Seen it too often to discount it)
If you have a chance, try the various types you can get to see which make and bullet type and weight your rifle prefers.
Once you find the one that shoots best in your rifle, buy 5 boxes (or more, if you can) so you have enough to practice with and sight the rifle in, and then hunt with.
I am constantly amazed by people saying this or that ammo is garbage or junk; it just might be good in their rifle(s)! You won't know until you try it, in your rifle.
I just picked up some new Remington ammo for the 204 Ruger, so will get to see how it shoots on my next trip to the range.
I will say that some of the ammunition may not be the most accurate in your firearm, but acceptable accuracy is another matter and varies depending on what the shooter deems acceptable.
In a scoped rifle capable of MOA or better, 2 or 3" groups may be unacceptable. While in a open sighted lever action that usually isn't used for shots beyond 150 yards, this is sufficient accuracy for hunting big game.
For example, an open sighted 30-30 shooting 160 gr FTX bullets into 3" groups at 100 yards should place these bullets into a 4 1/2" group at 150 yards. A moose's vital zone is 12". So 4 1/2" from point of aim is still within a 9" circle at 150 yards.
This means that if the shooter does their part in the field, that load is acceptably accurate for moose (less than minute of moose) at that distance. Unfortunately, this load does not have what most deem acceptable energy for moose at this range, but does for deer. (although generations of moose hunters have accomplished this feat, as moose are not generally tenacious of life and can be taken with less powerful cartridges)
A deer's vital zone is 8", so is acceptable for deer at that range. Ammo that will produce 2" groups at 100 yards would be acceptable.
A big factor is that not all rifles will group the same bullet with the same degree of accuracy. There are no absolutes or guarantees as to what will shoot best in any given firearm. Some rifles shoot better with "cheap" ammo than they do with the premium ammo. And vice versa. And you won't know until you try it. Sometimes we are pleasantly surprised by what shoots best in our rifles! (Seen it too often to discount it)
If you have a chance, try the various types you can get to see which make and bullet type and weight your rifle prefers.
Once you find the one that shoots best in your rifle, buy 5 boxes (or more, if you can) so you have enough to practice with and sight the rifle in, and then hunt with.
I am constantly amazed by people saying this or that ammo is garbage or junk; it just might be good in their rifle(s)! You won't know until you try it, in your rifle.
I just picked up some new Remington ammo for the 204 Ruger, so will get to see how it shoots on my next trip to the range.
BlackRam has a good point . . . Maybe their rifle is the 'garbage' of the equation, Not the ammo. I have several rifles that have different POI with different brands, I just have to know which ammo I'm shooting to know the correct hold. From my CZs to Rugers to Rems, I have MOA accuracy with some brands and DON'T with some others. Still they all are "acceptably accurate". I look at the nut holding the trigger b4 blaming the ammo.
I'm only speaking for myself but I wouldn't judge something based on a sample of one. I know there are plenty of guys here that do and would though. Remington rimfire ammunition of all kinds has produced an enormous amounts of duds and split cases across dozens of firearms. It was enough that I just stopped buying it no matter how cheap it was.
Meanwhile their centerfire green/white box ammo is probably the best budget stuff out there IMO. At least it was anyway, I haven't tried anything made since the ownership changed.
Meanwhile their centerfire green/white box ammo is probably the best budget stuff out there IMO. At least it was anyway, I haven't tried anything made since the ownership changed.
