Remington Model 14 1/2

It was very common for the dovetail slot to be filled when an aperture sight was used, not only for the clear view of the different sight, but also to protect the edges of the dovetail itself. Marbles still makes the slot fillers.

Yes but this one had a dovetail filler filed completely flush with the barrel. Not factory work.
 
The checkering is not a factory upgrade. It was done by an individual. The peep sight appears to also have been hand made by an individual. The sight extension appears to have been made from an open sight long leaf with the dovetail removed. Eyepiece may have been hand formed and joined to the long leaf. Quite a nice job too it appears. I have to wonder if the drilled hole to secure the front of this sight invades the lockup shoulder. The rifle has many modifications and it wouldn't surprise me if the butt stock is a total replacement. If the bore is good you have a fine shooter with limited interst to collectors.
 
hi noel:
my m14 has serial # 212xx.
i talked with the folks at remington and they told me late 1912 or early 1913.

Z

Interesting, they will certainly know more than me, but neither my 1912 or 1913 M14s had tapped holes. How come you get em and I don't???:p
Remington is just like Savage, they would build parts in bulk and then assemble at a later date. The barrels were not always empty when they would get filled again so some very early receivers would get mixed in later.
The theory stays true, with Remington and Savage "Never say never"!

Nice to see some interest in these old war horses.
 
Must say very nice firearm.

I had a 14 1/2 44/40 and have seen a few others and normally the magazine tube extends to the end of the barrel with a second band around it nearer the muzzle. Some people found them to be muzzle heavy so they cut the magazine tube off and shortened the spring and removed the 2nd band.

It is hard to tell from the pics but I can't see where a 2nd band was attached? I believe they where in a dovetail cut into the barrel?

There's no attachment for a second band, but there is a doevtail where one may have been cut in for, but it's like the other dovetail and perfectly conforms to the curvature of the barrel . From what I read some had 1 band and others had 2. It is possible that the model with the tube extending the end of the barrel was a carbine? This one is not a carbine.

Roe+
 
Yes but this one had a dovetail filler filed completely flush with the barrel. Not factory work.

Then why are there no marks from the file? You'd have to be utterly amazing with a file to do a job like this. It perfectly matches the curvature of the barrel and there are no flat spots.
 
The checkering is not a factory upgrade. It was done by an individual. The peep sight appears to also have been hand made by an individual. The sight extension appears to have been made from an open sight long leaf with the dovetail removed. Eyepiece may have been hand formed and joined to the long leaf. Quite a nice job too it appears. I have to wonder if the drilled hole to secure the front of this sight invades the lockup shoulder. The rifle has many modifications and it wouldn't surprise me if the butt stock is a total replacement. If the bore is good you have a fine shooter with limited interst to collectors.

I doubt the buttstock is a total replacement as the finish exactly matches the forestock, As far as the screw, the gun has no problem cycling. It's very smooth and the spring is still quite strong. You may not see from the pictures, but the underside of the sight has 2 tiny pegs that sit on the barrel to stabilize it and the single screw at the rear acts as and elevator. The bluing on the sight perfectly matches the rest of the gun. When you look at it, it does not appear to be hand made. If the checkering is done by someone else then it is the best job I've seen. I don't know if it is original, it was one of the things I was interested about. The eyepiece is perfectly symmetrical, so I doubt it was hand formed.
 
Then why are there no marks from the file? You'd have to be utterly amazing with a file to do a job like this. It perfectly matches the curvature of the barrel and there are no flat spots.

It could have been made in a another dovetail from a sacrificial chunk or round stock, roughed out with a file and finished out by other means.

The checkering could well have been done right after the gun was purchased, giving it the patina to look like a factory job. Tom will be able to clear that all up for you.

The two rear pins on the aperture sight must work to keep it centered on the round surface. The rear screw on the sight...... does it act as a set screw to adjust elevation or does it merely hold the top half of the sight assembly to the bottom half? It certainly looks custom made to me. Whoever did the work knew what they were doing, the white inlays look well done as does the checkering, and that sight is quite nice.
 
It could have been made in a another dovetail from a sacrificial chunk or round stock, roughed out with a file and finished out by other means.

The checkering could well have been done right after the gun was purchased, giving it the patina to look like a factory job. Tom will be able to clear that all up for you.

The two rear pins on the aperture sight must work to keep it centered on the round surface. The rear screw on the sight...... does it act as a set screw to adjust elevation or does it merely hold the top half of the sight assembly to the bottom half? It certainly looks custom made to me. Whoever did the work knew what they were doing, the white inlays look well done as does the checkering, and that sight is quite nice.

The rear screw is for the elevation.
 
There's no attachment for a second band, but there is a doevtail where one may have been cut in for, but it's like the other dovetail and perfectly conforms to the curvature of the barrel . From what I read some had 1 band and others had 2. It is possible that the model with the tube extending the end of the barrel was a carbine? This one is not a carbine.

Roe+

No, they where not carbines.
 
Roe had to pullout my Rem 14 35rem rifle with factory extra's to compare rear stock style, it is 99% the same as mine, but checkering is very different, but real nice your is! I will quote from the Stoeger 1939 Remington "EXTRA'S SUPPLIED ON REMINGTON RIFLE"
Checkering standard grade stock and forend. Extra, except where regular $4.40
Full pistol grip with rubber cap on Model 141A,141C,30A,81A,81C, Extra $4.40

The gun is nice whether anyone else thinks it factory, or non-factory, but I would have Noel help you with his contact whether it is factory, as I believe the rear stock is! Could you post close ups of the peep sight, because weather it is factory made or machinist made, it intriges me very much.
 
Roe had to pullout my Rem 14 35rem rifle with factory extra's to compare rear stock style, it is 99% the same as mine, but checkering is very different, but real nice your is! I will quote from the Stoeger 1939 Remington "EXTRA'S SUPPLIED ON REMINGTON RIFLE"
Checkering standard grade stock and forend. Extra, except where regular $4.40
Full pistol grip with rubber cap on Model 141A,141C,30A,81A,81C, Extra $4.40

The gun is nice whether anyone else thinks it factory, or non-factory, but I would have Noel help you with his contact whether it is factory, as I believe the rear stock is! Could you post close ups of the peep sight, because weather it is factory made or machinist made, it intriges me very much.

I'll try to do that tomorrow if possible.
 
zywina,

Sorry for the wait. Here are some photos of the sight.

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Sorry for the delay. I've been getting ready for deer hunting.

Roe+
 
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