Remington Quality
- Thread starter jackrabbit000
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Little has changed really. I used to glass bed most remington 700 rifles for myself and others.
Most were poorly bedded but were painfully simple to get many of them to shoot into 1moa with handloads. A few had chamber and headspace issues that were not critical but restricted more potential.
I once went through over 200 new rifles over a winter, checking barrels, headspacing, bolt/chamber alignments and ran an air guage down each barrel before selecting one to buy.
In doing so i would say most were capable of 1.5 moa but my .308 would swat a fly at 100 meters.
Because of the mass production, i doubt little has changed, but perhap some are better designed to allow for accuracy in such production environments, hence the more recent improved accuracy of most Savage centerfire rifles.
Most were poorly bedded but were painfully simple to get many of them to shoot into 1moa with handloads. A few had chamber and headspace issues that were not critical but restricted more potential.
I once went through over 200 new rifles over a winter, checking barrels, headspacing, bolt/chamber alignments and ran an air guage down each barrel before selecting one to buy.
In doing so i would say most were capable of 1.5 moa but my .308 would swat a fly at 100 meters.
Because of the mass production, i doubt little has changed, but perhap some are better designed to allow for accuracy in such production environments, hence the more recent improved accuracy of most Savage centerfire rifles.
404 QUALITY NOT FOUND
Brand new 700 SPS DM. First shot, jammed. Tried again (I now know not to), same thing. A fellow shooter loaned me some Winchester 308 ammo which ejected stiffly but it did work. So I figured it's the fault of the MFS ammo being out of spec. Went again today, tried some brass ammo from PPU. Same thing, jammed. I now have a reloading manual so I checked the case against spec, and it was all clear. The spent case was a little fatter at the base but well within spec. I noticed a gouge at the bottom of the casing so I had a good look at the breech... didn't have to look hard. Maybe I got the limited edition shark model... pretty pathetic
Brand new 700 SPS DM. First shot, jammed. Tried again (I now know not to), same thing. A fellow shooter loaned me some Winchester 308 ammo which ejected stiffly but it did work. So I figured it's the fault of the MFS ammo being out of spec. Went again today, tried some brass ammo from PPU. Same thing, jammed. I now have a reloading manual so I checked the case against spec, and it was all clear. The spent case was a little fatter at the base but well within spec. I noticed a gouge at the bottom of the casing so I had a good look at the breech... didn't have to look hard. Maybe I got the limited edition shark model... pretty pathetic
I do receive many private messages and i never recommend Remington product, i always give alternatives choices, TC, Wheaterby, Tikka or Savage, the Rem story is a very sad one, kind of the GM of rifle, i doubt they will ever recover fully... JP.
ALBERTA BOY
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I recently posted this in a similar thread:
I have owned a few Remington rifles. A couple of years ago I had a 597 which was problematic and frankly unsafe.
However, I think due to their declining reputation, they have improved things a bit.
I have a new production 597 that is flawless. They've truly worked the bugs out of this one. It's also very accurate.
I just bought a marlin 336 made in 2012. Remington's reputation with these rifles was so poor they stopped producing them in order to work out the bugs.
The one I have shoots sub moa and the cycling and finish is okay.
The sight is indexed off a bit and the wood is too proud of the tang on one side.
That said, my marlin 36 from 1947 also has the sights indexed off and the wood is too proud on the same side so I guess the new one is no worse than the old one.
All in all, I'm happy with the new ones. The ones from just a couple of years ago were a different story.
I will say that I've had better experiences with Remington QC than I have with Savage. I have owned about 9 Savage rifles and have found major (IMO) problems from the factory with every single one.
The only brand that I've owned which has had NO factory defects that I could find is Weatherby although I certainly haven't owned them all!
IME
IMO
YMMV
FWIW
I have owned a few Remington rifles. A couple of years ago I had a 597 which was problematic and frankly unsafe.
However, I think due to their declining reputation, they have improved things a bit.
I have a new production 597 that is flawless. They've truly worked the bugs out of this one. It's also very accurate.
I just bought a marlin 336 made in 2012. Remington's reputation with these rifles was so poor they stopped producing them in order to work out the bugs.
The one I have shoots sub moa and the cycling and finish is okay.
The sight is indexed off a bit and the wood is too proud of the tang on one side.
That said, my marlin 36 from 1947 also has the sights indexed off and the wood is too proud on the same side so I guess the new one is no worse than the old one.
All in all, I'm happy with the new ones. The ones from just a couple of years ago were a different story.
I will say that I've had better experiences with Remington QC than I have with Savage. I have owned about 9 Savage rifles and have found major (IMO) problems from the factory with every single one.
The only brand that I've owned which has had NO factory defects that I could find is Weatherby although I certainly haven't owned them all!
IME
IMO
YMMV
FWIW
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
There are much better choices for the same money, a Ruger or Winchester makes a Rem look like a pretty questionable choice. Everything about the 700 was optimized for cheap construction (soldered together 3 piece bolt, tubular "pipe" receiver, separate recoil lug sandwiched between the barrel and receiver, etc).
Not entirely correct. As with any mass production item manufacturing cost is a huge factor. But extremely good accuracy and an extremely strong, safe rifle were also important factors in the development of the 700. It so happens that the 'pipe' receiver and the separate recoil lug are important factors in mass produced rifles with better than average accuracy.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I agree the 700 is a decent agglomeration of shortcuts, and is quite easy to work on and true, there are just too many shortcuts for my taste in it. I prefer the actions, three position and more substantial safeties, and flat bottom actions of the 70 and 77. The fact the Model 70 competes for the same market as the 700 is astonishing when you look at what is required to make the model 70.
Heres the quality of the trynite whatever finish of a brand new 700 xcr tlr 308 short action after sitting in the back of a dry cube truck in a cloth case over night. It seemed fine at the store. No idea how it shoots. It went back to the store and i assume ill get it back in a few months/years after it gets refinished. Some one i work with says he has the 300 winmag version and says the extractor is weak and is planning an after market bolt.
My other remington product was a new wingmaster which i didnt really inspect very well at the store. The soft butt pad on it was screwed in poorly but it shoots just fine.
Tell him he should rethink the aftermarket bolt. If he thinks his extractor is 'weak'(what ever that means), test it...
I can hang my 200 pounds from a 700 extractor and I expect one could hang much more. They are not normally 'weak', they are extremely strong and that extractor system is critical to the design of the 700 action. It is that design component that makes the 700 so strong and safe.
If there is something wrong with his extractor have it fixed.
