Remington R1S disappointment

[TDC]

Gimme a break .... "tight slide to frame fit translates into reduced reliability ... ", yadda-yadda-yadda .... This isn't my first experience with the type. And it is NOT a "copy/reproduction of a service pistol". Those are being marketed as such. The R1s come with: beveled mag well, lowered and flared ejection port, hi-viz sights, loaded chamber slot in the barrel hood and a long tang. Does that sound like a "service pistol" to you? What army did you serve with? The Hollywood Fusiliers?

That would explain the 'reduced reliability' of my Series '70 Gold Cup, still 'tight' after years of IPSC major loads when fitted with a Clarke 'Pin Gun' barrel, now back to stock and still 'tight'. And the reliability of my blued R1 with 'tight' slide to frame fit.

Tell ya what - special deal to those who think this sort of p!ss poor quality control is OK on a new pistol. You can have this R1S for what I paid for it plus S&H. Sound fair?
Should have good reliability and acceptable "service pistol" accuracy.

As for "buyer beware", I guess we know your ethics when it comes to gun sales. Had I had the opportunity to handle this gun in the shop, it would have been rejected out of hand. Rather difficult when it's coming from out of province. If I had bought it from an individual on GunNutz or CATF, the registration would have been cancelled forthwith and it would be on it's way back to the seller.

Wow, someone is touchy. Buyer beware is just that. You ordered sight unseen. That's a you problem. If you think tight tolerances are a benefit for reliability then you're sadly mistaken. On the other hand, sloppy sloppy fit and finish is just as detrimental. However, there is no need for a zero play fit between slide and frame, which seems to be the desire of most who run the outdated overweight dinosaur known as the 1911 pattern pistol. If you think such tolerances will significantly(as in noticeably) effect performance down range, then you simply suck at the fundamentals. If you can't make solid hits with any pistol, you suck at the fundamentals. If you believe a match grade barrel or adjustable target sights are benefits or necessary, you suck at the fundamentals. If you think manual/positive safeties are a good thing, you haven't the knowledge or confidence to be commenting on such. If you think a service pistol is suitable for precision target work, you haven't a clue what you're talking about. The gun is a SERVICE pistol design. It is not intended for extreme bullseye type events and thus should never be expected to perform as such. The R1 is marketed with the original/standard rat tail safety, GI type solid trigger and classic hammer. Sounds and looks like a copy of the original to me.

As for your "deal". I'll pass. The 1911 is far from being a modern reliable and effective tool as a service pistol when compared to many other choices. Secondly, I wouldn't buy anything made by Remington these days. Their QC has taken a noticeable dive in recent years. Based on your complaints I would hazard a guess that you agree with me.

TDC

ETA: Almost forgot. As for my stance on "ethics for gun sales". My stance is based on LOGIC and COMMON SENSE. The gun works as advertised. You're simply P*ssing and moaning about its fit and finish. There is no defect, just a personal issue. Its not the vendors nor the manufacturers responsibility to ensure you're happy with the purchase. Again, the return policies of many companies are simply marketing tools to promote sales. They are not a right, nor are they to be implied as such. Intelligent people make informed decisions on products based on research and personal criteria. Return policies cater to those who can't be bothered doing such. A defective product should be covered within a short time after arrival. A return for personal reasons is a gimmick.

 

[daRRski]

At least they are trying to facilitate the "Warranty" work, although I suspect you will run into the "Does it work? Yes? No warranty then as it's not broken."

This definitely is a strange practice as I too have discovered, thanks go to EllwoodEpps for that. It turns out that very few if any dealers will take back a restricted after the sale, even if it is broken. "Sorry, Warranty" is the answer and being in Canada, warranty = S**T!

Is there some "All Sales Final" on any of the receipts??

I think it'd be great to get a list of dealers in Canada that would take back a problem-restricted after sale (within reason of course.)
I'd definitely try to shop only from them. I had always assumed they all would.

Can anyone confirm ever getting an exchange or money back on a bad restricted-buy from any dealer in Canada?

Is there a way to get some regulation on this? This is a serious problem.

I did...my SR1911 was a rattler.....got my money back from Wantalls without any problems...great store...great people to deal with...will buy from them again without hesitations

 

[AndrewNS]

Perhaps one of the legal buffs on here can correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it law in Canada that you have 30 days to return any purchase that you are not satisfied with from a retailer??

 

[Claven2]

Perhaps one of the legal buffs on here can correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it law in Canada that you have 30 days to return any purchase that you are not satisfied with from a retailer??

It varies by province since it's not federal law, but yes, in general, most provinces have a cnsumer protection law to that effect. I doubt the OP is going to take Epps to small claims court over a sub-$1000 gun though.

Retailers know this and hence they ignore it.

 

[Sharps '63]

Methinks he doth protest too much .... Yeah, I ordered sight unseen, as do many every day. You being the exception, of course. And I'm not the only one to have been disappointed by what I received. Read above.

If "tight slide to frame fit" is detrimental to accuracy and reliability, that would certainly explain the accuracy and reliability of my Series '70 Gold Cup and blued R1. Any other 'expert' opinions to share? I repeat this as you declined comment.

So the R1 as offered is a SERVICE grade pistol? Yeah, right .... with flared and lowered ejection port, hi-viz sights, loaded chamber cut in the barrel hood, long tang and bevelled mag well. You didn't comment on that either.

Any army in particular issuing such a gun? Other than the new Colt rail gun 1911 of the US Marine Corps and other elite fighting organizations, that is. And what the hell would they know about accuracy and reliability in a SERVICE grade pistol? I mean, compared to you, that is. Or the survival shooting schools like Gunsite and Thunder Ranch.

Who, other than you was talking about "precision target work" or "extreme bullseye type events"? ? I don't recall even mentioning the intended application. And there's a host of 1911 users out there who could prove you soooo wrong on that.

And what, pray tell, is a "rat tail safety"? I can't find a reference to such a device in any of the half dozen or so books I have on the type.

Obviously, we have different standards of excellence when it comes to what is acceptable in a product. There is no accounting for taste - or the lack of it. At the very least, I expect a gun to come as per advertised specs. Mine did not. That is unacceptable. Your mileage may vary.

As for your slur regarding my shooting skills, you make unwarranted presumptions, but you haven't shown any class so far, so why quit now? By all means, continue to rail away as if you knew what you were talking about.

"Never argue with a fool - they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

PS: the gun was not purchased from Epps.