Remington R35 and R15

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I am considering getting into the AR game and i see alot of these rifles out for sale on ee ......WHY?

I figured the R35 would be esp in demand considering the AR 10 hype and can't the color be changed?

I was also wondering if one (Either or ) would be a good platform for svc rifle

how about some answers on this, i will also accept opinions and rants

thanks
 
R25.

You can get an R15 for $1150 new. What a great deal on a Rifle. Why pay $1000 for an upper when you get the whole rifle.
Who cares about the colour.
Same for the R25 $1450 new. Even comes in 7mm-08 and .243.

If I wasn;t hanging onto my money for Sig. I would pick one up.

Only thing that turns off some people...it does not have the 'Tacti-Cool' features
 
I shoot an R15, box stock in service rifle, and it is really a hard rifle to beat(though my shooting of it could improve). It does not have a bunch of rails for klingons, but I don't want anything hanging off my rifle. This rifle has been used for rapids, as well as bipoded out to 600m in competition.

Without a doubt, I would recommend it to a friend, or future competitor that I wanted to see back.

As far as changing the color, you can rattle can whatever you want on it, but the cammo on the R15 is extremely durable. I have several K rounds through mine, have had it from -30 to +30, and shot it for extended periods without cleaning, and the only scrapes on the finish are where the charging handle rubs, and this is minor. When you shoot it, can you tell what color your rifle is?

When looking at the R15 vs other similarly priced ARs, I don't think there is much comparison. Not from a shooter perspective. From what I see, you'd have to take a step up price wise to get a similar performer from a shooter perspective.

Much of the "not tacti-cool" talk that I have heard is coming from people that have less then 100 rnds through their rifles. And that is totally cool, but I really doubt hanging stuff off a rail is going to improve a service rifle score.

If you are a shooter looking for something for service rifle competition, take the worst possible situation. You buy a R15 from the EE for 1000. It doesn't shoot better then say 3MOA. Well, is this good enough for you? If not, toss a krieger on it, and you are most certainly going to have a very tight shooter for ~1500. My experience is that a box stock R15 will be much better then that though.

Many of the people that shoot ARs competitively and well(Zediker, Wylde, Tubb) call the AR15 upper/lower simply cases. Meaning that they just hold parts. The barrel is where the accuracy is. I am not sure that is true or not, but if I were spending $ to improve the accuracy of an AR, I would start with the barrel and move back.

Just to add a little perspective. I don't care much about how my shooter guns look. I would take $1 of performance over several $ of looks good. I have owned, or do own several different rifles that I either used, or wanted to use in service rifle. LMT, Stag ARs. Robarm XCRs. M14s. Several classic Greens, including a sniper one, and a couple of other things. The only one that may be a better shooter out of this admittedly small sample set of one off models is the LMT.
 
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I've got both and they both shoot great. Dare I say sub moa. Last year I used my R15 for service Rifle, this year the R25. The only issues I've had were my fault. Like loading a tad too hot for the R25, once I backed my loads off a bit reliability wasn't an issue. God Damn, I wish we could hunt with these, cause they'd be my regular guns. As far as the coating goes they both look ###y in that camo.
 
Although I'm now taking a different approach on getting into the .308 AR game, I did research converting the R25 into a "black gun".
I contacted Steven Lauer about Duracoating over the current coating. It turns out that his company makes the clear coat thats on the R25. He said Duracoating over the current coating wouldn't be a good choice as there would be adhering issues. He felt that blasting the current coating with 120gr aluminum oxide (starting at 15 pounds pressure then slowly increase if required).
Also, if you wanted to "tacti-cool" it, the Daniel Defense AR10 lite rails with the DPMS nut are supposed to match, and if you wanted to switch the gas block, the barrel diameter is .750".
Pistol grip and butt are easy switches.
 
The R25 has a bit more kick in .308 so it moves me around more and slows me down on rapids and is heavier so positional shooting is................different. So that is the bad, the good is it comes in .243 which would really buck the wind well for service rifle in Ottawa.
 
Seen both the R-15 and R-25 (in a store) have fired neither.

Looking at the price range, well, it's a step up from the Norinclones, and slightly lower than the standard ABCD rifles (though that alphabet has expanded now...)

If the threads/etc are all standard (which I understand them to be) then go for it.

Consider the point above about the .308 recoil in the rapids.

NS
 
Every time I look at my hunting rifle, I shake my head and wish it were an r25. What would have to be done to make a non-restricted variant?
 
Gents:

If I may add my 2 cents.

When I first had a look at the R-25 and or the R-15, I was not particularly impressed. My research at the time showed that The R-15 (223) is made by Newly acquired the Bushmaster division for Remington, and the R-25 (308) Is mad by DPMS for Remington. In the past, Both names are not necessarily associate with producing a quality product, and I have said so on previous occasions, but one knowledgeable nutter in particular called me to task on this, and as a result I forced myself to have a second look.

In the past, particularly DPMS has had a reputation for being shoddy with regards to quality control. However over the last few years, they have been working very hard to right that wrong, and are starting to turn out a quality product for the dollars spent.

Further, there are at least 1 different board member who I trust, and he is having fantastic result with his DPMS rifle in 308.

Well Long story short, I decided I needed to have a detailed "hands-on" look at this so I bought a use R-25 off the board, and while I have not had it totally apart, I must say for the $'s spent I am suitably impressed.

The upper & lower are very "beefy" and their fit is very good with little to no wiggle. The Free float tube, while simple, is solid, and has slots for the addition of picitiny rail pieces. The bolt & carrier group look very solid, and the barrel is heavy under the hand guards, and actually balances pretty good. While there were no sights provided the front gas block is railed for the addition of an AR-10 style front folding sight (they are slightly higher than the AR-15 version) The Flat top upper will take any sight or optic you like.

I have not had it to the range yet, however I have a feeling 1.5 MOA as long as I do my part should not be an issue.

Further, the R-25, in my understanding, will take the same mag as the Kac SR-25, the POF piston 308, and the DPMS rifles, and in the US, magpul has already released the P-Mag in 308 for the above mentioned, which in my opinion will be head an shoulders above any mag used in the comprable Armalite /Noveske platform.

No post would be complete without some pictures, and this is what my rig looks like at present. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but if you can get past that "Green" I think you will find an increadable value for the $'s spent.

Look forward to any well thought out response you migh have.

regards

AbH

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I have both the R-15 & R-25 and love them both. I do like the finish on both and they do stand out from the rest in the rifle rack. I have only fed my R-25 match ammo so I haven't put as many rounds down range as I would like, since I would need to take out a 3rd mortgage to afford ammo.
 
Perhaps you could refer to the above.......:rolleyes:

regards

AbH

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Gents:

If I may add my 2 cents............


Further, the R-25, in my understanding will take the same mag as the Kac SR-25, the POF piston 308, and the DPMS rifles, and in the US, magpul has already released the P-Mag in 308 for the above mentioned, which in my opinion will be head an shoulders above any mag used in the comprable Armalite /Noveske platform..............
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From wikipedia:

"The SR-25 (Stoner Rifle-25) is a semi-automatic sniper rifle designed by Eugene Stoner and manufactured by Knight's Armament Company. The SR-25 uses a rotating bolt and a direct impingement gas system. It is loosely based on Stoner's AR-10, rebuilt in its original 7.62x51mm NATO caliber. Up to 60% of parts of the SR-25 are interchangeable with the AR-15 and M16—everything but the receiver, the hammer, the barrel assembly and the carrier/bolt. SR-25 barrels were originally manufactured by Remington Arms with its 5R (5 grooves, rounded) rifling, with twist 1:11.25 (1 turn in 11.25 inches/286 millimetres)."

So, I have high confidence with Remington's AR barrels.

I agree with carbonrod and werewolf.
+1 for R-15, I normally get under 3/4" MOA, 5 shots group all day long :D
 
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