Remington rifles

BigUglyMan said:
People do the damndest things to save a couple of bucks.
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Penny wise Pound Foolish?!

BTW: I have shot a 7600 for over 17 years.... My favourite deer rifle! I get groups of 0.5-1.5" with my hand loads.... Not bad for a pump and better than a lot of guy's bolt actions. They are not hard to clean!!!

The Ruger Frontier is really nice too, So is the remington Model Seven. Some times choice is a ##### eh?
 
Did someone say Remington??? Some of them are okay, I guess...

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The Model Seven is designed as a lightwieght rifle,really the only other production rifle in the same class is the Kimber,at twice the price.All the others are lightened short actions,there is a difference. one pound.But it's a crap shoot on barrels.

My buddy got a new 30-06 pump,off the bench, holding, not butt resting on bags,one inch group with factory Winchester PP!
 
The Remington 700 has some definate advantages,namely Americans love them,as a result you can, pimp,blueprint,restock,weld,and just go nuts on them with the aftermarket parts.They can be made to be spooky accurate as well.But straight from the box to the field,no thanks,I'll take a Winchester,Ruger or Browning.The crap that has managed to elude the inspectors must be embarassing for Remington.
 
You mean like the rifle I got from Winchester where half the stock was missing factory varnish? Or the Ruger M77MkII I got with the dime-sized casting inclusion on the side of the receiver? Or how about the Browning I got where they forgot to anodize the bolt shroud?

Don't go there - ALL your remchester type factory guns have QA/QC issues. Just b/c your pet brand hasn;t let you down yet usually only means you haven;t bought the right (or rather, wrong) gun yet ;)
 
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You're right about buying the right(or wrong) rifle.Any of those things showed up on my doorstep and I'd be red faced and sputtering, flapping my arms,screaming about Canadian values;) But if you were a betting man which one would be your odds on favorite for delivering a factory f#&ked rifle.
FWIW, I'm looking at buying a Rem LTR.
 
If I had to bet on a rifle that would be ####e from the factory, I'd list rifles in this order:

1) Norinco bolt guns of any flavor.
2) Norinco commercial SKS (as opposed to military ones). I've seen SO many of these with crooked gas tubes that wouldn't cycle, it's not even funny.
3) NEF/HRA single-shot rifles. Yuck.
4) Mossberg ATR - can you say casting lines, poor finish, VERY cheap feeling.
5) Remington 710 - plagued with issues.
6) Push feed Winchester model 70's - double yuck.
7) Charles Daly mausers. AWFUL fit and finish.
8) Browning A-bolts. Good design, but often with POOR execution.
9) Cross-bolt safety Winchester 94's. 'nuff said.
10) Tikka T3 - I think i just threw up a little in my mouth! Hard to believe a once-great maker has fallen this far.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think of it - the all-time award for most likely to be crap out of the box has to go to the Ruger Mini-14/30. I've never seen one come out of the box that didn't need help, and I;ve yet to see one do better than 3MOA without ALOT of help. Unacceptable for a rifle that costs so much!
 
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You know I was in SIR a couple of weeks ago and the sale guy at the gun counter kept on telling me that there was nothing wrong with the 710 and that people buy them all the time. Other than asthetics, what is wrong from a designing/engineering standpoint?
 
Remingtons

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#10, thats too funny.:) Come on you guys open up on him. I'll start, O.K. Remington actions are lightweight for their size, have good lock time and triggers and make good platforms for lightweight and tactical guns but they're still a hunk of pipe with some threads in one end.:p
 
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1-5, I was nodding my head
6.Nope, much better than a 700
7. would like to see one
8. maybe (mags and bolt handle)
9.agree
10.While not tikkas of yore,they are still smooth,accurate well thought out rifles.
Where would the 700 fit in your list?:p
 
true north said:
1-5, I was nodding my head
6.Nope, much better than a 700
7. would like to see one
8. maybe (mags and bolt handle)
9.agree
10.While not tikkas of yore,they are still smooth,accurate well thought out rifles.
Where would the 700 fit in your list?:p
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The "right out of the box" 700 is about equal with a CRF Win70. I like both platforms when assembled properly. Admittedly, both manufacturers have the odd QA/QC problems.

As fro the T3, it's not a bad rifle per se, it's just that it's so much crappier than the Tikka's of even just 5 years ago ;)

As to No.6, bear in mind that the push feed Win 70 was a compromise gun. Remington was outselling the pre-64 Winchester because it was basically a good gun but was much less expensive to produce and sell. Winchester switched to the press-checkered, machine inlet (badly), push feed (in a mauser-type action?) cheapening of the model 70. The remington 700 is, IN MY opinion, a FAR better push-feed system than the Win70 was. Now CRF win70's, on the other hand, can be much better rifles than the PF winnys could ever hope to be.

Remember guys, these kinda lists are usually about preference. You don;t all have to agree with me!
 
MTM said:
but they're still a hunk of pipe with some threads in one end.:p
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Actually, they start out as round bar stock - not pipe ;) Anyhow, try machining one yourself and tell me how "simple" it is...

That being said, I;m not a huge Remmy 700 guy. I used one for my .300H&H build, but that had more to do with it being a left handed magnum length action that was available than any particular love of the Remington brand.

If I could have got a magnum length pre-64 winchester in left hand, I;d have used that but they don't exist!
 
While I do own other rifles, I AM a huge Remington 700/7/600/788/541 guy. I have seen a small representation of the issues so many cry about, but the last 8 Remingtons I have bought [SSDM, VLS, 3 Classics, 3 CDL's] are as good as any I have owned, and I started buying 700's in 1963. All of the rifles above are sub-moa shooters with only trigger adjustment. The fit and finish has been very acceptable. Scope mount holes are straight, crowns are good. 4 of these have the J-lock, which I do detest, but I see Remington has decided to drop this feature, thank you. I have also used the 700 Action as the basis for several long range wonders, and have yet to be disappointed. I have no love for the newer Tikkas, never cared much for the A-bolts [the magazines and triggers drive me wild] I do own a couple of M70 Winchesters, one is the basis for a custom 30-338, which I dearly love [accurate and powerful] I also own a couple of Rugers [a tang safety 77V in 220 Swift which is very accurate, and a #1 in 7x57] I even own a Winchester built P14 303 British, my truck gun. But the gun safe mostly houses rifles built by Big Green, and until I start having serious issues with them, I will continue to buy and shoot them. Your mileage may differ of course, that is what makes the world go around. Regards, Eagleye.
 
I here ya. I was just pokeing fun. Other than its a push feed it's a excellent action from a practical standpoint. Sort of the same thing with older Sakos, I still like them even with p/f.
 
PF v. CRF can be debated, but most people agree the CRF guns are slightly more reliable feeders, while the PF's are slightly more accurate on average.
 
Just the fact that we can debate the uberblaster vs whatsitcalled is a great thing. I just saw a picture of a guide in South America with what looked like a taped together CBC single shot 20 guage.It was a sad thing to behold.
 
The P/F Winchesters have good barrels on them,as a rule much better than the pre-64s.The triggers are better than Remingtons for a hunting rifle.Their biggest problem was extractor breakage,at about the same rate as the Remingtons.The post 72 M-70 P/F is a good rifle. I think the 700 is very good looking action,the best out there.
 
Don't forget the three position safety and the field stripable bolt ,which is real handy when you're on the river bank drying out by a fire.My favorite Rem 700 was not my custom shop .375 but an oldy 30-06 with pressed checkering and a finnish that looked like some craftsmen had lovingly dipped it into a vat of gloss.I used that rifle alot,then in the mid 80's got a pf win. The Rem got retired and was sold 2 years ogo, the last 700 in my safe.
 
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