Remington SENDERO
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A pal of mine used to use a Sendero in .25/06, and some of the best field shooting I've ever seen was done with him behind the trigger of that rifle. Another fellow here had a Sendero in .300 Winchester, but that one never produced the level of accuracy we saw from of the .25/06 version, despite much load tweaking with match bullets. Perhaps my pal was just lucky and got a hummer.
A .300 Ultra would certainly have a long reach, if you can shoot up to it. But too often folks are beguiled by the ballistics of some rip roaring cartridge that they never are able to use it to its potential because: A) the cartridge is too much for them in blast and recoil, B) the cost of shooting the cartridge prevents them from shooting enough to gain competence with it, C) the rifle they choose can't produce the level of accuracy that makes long range shooting practical. Having said that, a doctor friend from South Africa used to set the world on fire with his .30-378, shooting out to a half mile or so, but this fellow was exceptional in many ways.
A .300 Ultra would certainly have a long reach, if you can shoot up to it. But too often folks are beguiled by the ballistics of some rip roaring cartridge that they never are able to use it to its potential because: A) the cartridge is too much for them in blast and recoil, B) the cost of shooting the cartridge prevents them from shooting enough to gain competence with it, C) the rifle they choose can't produce the level of accuracy that makes long range shooting practical. Having said that, a doctor friend from South Africa used to set the world on fire with his .30-378, shooting out to a half mile or so, but this fellow was exceptional in many ways.
The sendero is a great gun and the SF II I have is very accurate. The best thing about the 300 rum is that you can shoot managed recoil ammo which is like 308 win all the way up to full power loads. Also if you reload you can load it as stout as you like. I have a load with 200 gr accubonds that shoots very flat and hits very hard. But you can just as easily shoot 150gr tsx at moderate speeds and work your way up. It's flexible and has the ability to shoot heavy bullets fast but 300 ultra doesn't automatically mean it will knock your fillings out.
300 RUM ? Are you hunting walrusses from 1200 yards?
Such as??? I'm not trying to be smart, I've been trying to decide between the two myself and would appreciate your input.
DL
One pushes bullets faster at a higher component cost, and more wear. The other goes slower, and costs less to run. - dan
harder to find ammo/brass
higher priced ammo/brass
shorter barrel life/more barrel heat
heavier recoil
more muzzle blast
the extra 10% in velocity comes at a cost of 25% more powder burned. Since a 300wm already will push a 180gr fast enough to reach 600 yards with authority, I see little practical use of the larger cartridges. Successful long range shooting is decided by the shooter, not the fastest baddest cartridge
my .02
Any time you want more power/speed it comes at a cost. The 300 win mag is a fine cartridge but it has a belt which I would consider a negative but that's maybe just me. The 300 rum will also still have a 208/210 vld and 200gr accubond going ~1800 fps and ~1500 ft/lb at 1000 yards. That doesn't come free.
Having owned two 300RUM rifles, they do have a use, for a very small percentage of hunters. If you are willing to spend the time and money practicing to learn the ballistics, and to develop and maintain above average shooting skills, the 300RUM makes a great long range hunting cartridge. For the vast majority of hunters, the extra recoil, and accelerated throat erosion, aren't worth the extra velocity.
That all depends on the loads that you use, and how hot you let the barrel get. You can easily burn out a 300RUM barrel in a few hundred rounds if you frequently overheat the barrel. If you are very careful, you might get over 1000 rounds before the accuracy fades significantly.
Just get what you really want.
Life is too short to wish you would have got "THE OTHER".
With that said, I have shot my 300 Win.Mag. out to a mile on several occasions, and it does just fine. So it can really reach out there.
At 700, it still penetrates 1/4" mild steel plates. This tells me it has allot of energy there still.
It just depends what your needs are.
With the 300 Win mag. there are components everywhere.
The 300 Ultra just has a little more performance, at a higher price (on barrel life) as stated by others.
Good luck with your choice, and just have fun with it! Thats what it is for.
Life is too short to wish you would have got "THE OTHER".
With that said, I have shot my 300 Win.Mag. out to a mile on several occasions, and it does just fine. So it can really reach out there.
At 700, it still penetrates 1/4" mild steel plates. This tells me it has allot of energy there still.
It just depends what your needs are.
With the 300 Win mag. there are components everywhere.
The 300 Ultra just has a little more performance, at a higher price (on barrel life) as stated by others.
Good luck with your choice, and just have fun with it! Thats what it is for.
I have a Sendero SFII in 300 RUM and I really like it.
My best load to date with 200 Accubonds averaged 1.6" for five, five shot groups at 200yds.
My best load to date with 165 Accubonds averaged 1.2" for four, 3 shot groups at 200 yards. Note, these are averages of several consecutive groups, not a one-time best group. Those numbers are quite good in my books. Incidentally, the 165 Ballistic Tip was indistinguishable from the AB when substituted.
I had some trouble getting it to group well when it was new, I don't know if the barrel needed some rounds through it or what but it groups well now and fouls very little.
I did skim bed it and added a Timney trigger along the way.
Scope is a Leupold 4.5 - 14 x 40 (B&C) (Highly recommended)
All of the above is true and if those factors are a concern the 300 WM might be a better choice, but with 300 RUM:
The case neck isn't too short
It has no stupid belt
It has little enough case taper that case stretching isn't a big problem
The Sendero is heavy, which helps with the recoil
The Sendero has a heavy barrel, which helps with the heating
There isn't much out there that will shoot flatter with less wind deflection than a max 165 grain load with a decent BC, check it out.
The 200 grain load shoots very flat as well with a little less wind deflection and delivers some very serious momentum at long range. That's pretty cool.
I really like the 300 RUM in the Sendero.
My next plan for this rifle is to try some Federal 210M primers instead of WLRM's in my current loads and to try some new loads with other powders.
When I wear out the barrel I'll have a perfect excuse to get a match grade barrel installed.
My best load to date with 200 Accubonds averaged 1.6" for five, five shot groups at 200yds.
My best load to date with 165 Accubonds averaged 1.2" for four, 3 shot groups at 200 yards. Note, these are averages of several consecutive groups, not a one-time best group. Those numbers are quite good in my books. Incidentally, the 165 Ballistic Tip was indistinguishable from the AB when substituted.
I had some trouble getting it to group well when it was new, I don't know if the barrel needed some rounds through it or what but it groups well now and fouls very little.
I did skim bed it and added a Timney trigger along the way.
Scope is a Leupold 4.5 - 14 x 40 (B&C) (Highly recommended)
All of the above is true and if those factors are a concern the 300 WM might be a better choice, but with 300 RUM:
The case neck isn't too short
It has no stupid belt
It has little enough case taper that case stretching isn't a big problem
The Sendero is heavy, which helps with the recoil
The Sendero has a heavy barrel, which helps with the heating
There isn't much out there that will shoot flatter with less wind deflection than a max 165 grain load with a decent BC, check it out.
The 200 grain load shoots very flat as well with a little less wind deflection and delivers some very serious momentum at long range. That's pretty cool.
I really like the 300 RUM in the Sendero.
My next plan for this rifle is to try some Federal 210M primers instead of WLRM's in my current loads and to try some new loads with other powders.
When I wear out the barrel I'll have a perfect excuse to get a match grade barrel installed.
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I love a Sendero.....
I dont have a lot of time behind the 300 win and none behind an untra... however, I've had a sendero for over 10 years. I have hundreds and hundreds of rounds down the pipe of mine (7mm mag) from factory walmart ammo, to premium ammo, to my dads reloads.... they all hit whatever its pointed at. I'd say its the most unfussy rifle I have ever shot. I've had some work done on mine, more to slick the action and give it a better trigger than anything, because the accuracy was always there. For example, the first time my buddy ever fired a rifle was this spring. He hit a rock the size of a softball at 150 yards on the first shot with cheap factory ammo, and I've neck and spine shot whitetails with mine from 400 to 500 yards on more than one occasion.
I've had every other type of rifle under the sun in the last 10 years, and I always go back to the Sendero platform, I swear by it.
I know you will enjoy yours.
Gord.
I dont have a lot of time behind the 300 win and none behind an untra... however, I've had a sendero for over 10 years. I have hundreds and hundreds of rounds down the pipe of mine (7mm mag) from factory walmart ammo, to premium ammo, to my dads reloads.... they all hit whatever its pointed at. I'd say its the most unfussy rifle I have ever shot. I've had some work done on mine, more to slick the action and give it a better trigger than anything, because the accuracy was always there. For example, the first time my buddy ever fired a rifle was this spring. He hit a rock the size of a softball at 150 yards on the first shot with cheap factory ammo, and I've neck and spine shot whitetails with mine from 400 to 500 yards on more than one occasion.
I've had every other type of rifle under the sun in the last 10 years, and I always go back to the Sendero platform, I swear by it.
I know you will enjoy yours.
Gord.
TwoTone:
Its nice to see some shooters have the practicality to test thier loads "multiple times"!
It eliminates the lucky, super group, and all but ensures the all important money shots!
The more detailed and proven the load, the better your results/and confidence!
Sumack:
When you make your decision, and if you reload for it, try the 210 Berger VLD, or the 208 Hornady A-Max.
My rifle shoots the 210's out to 1760+ yards without a hitch!
I have loaded them to around 2950fps(2933 exactly). Using Reloader 22.
Good luck and have a sh#*t pile of fun shooting your new gun of choice!
Its nice to see some shooters have the practicality to test thier loads "multiple times"!
It eliminates the lucky, super group, and all but ensures the all important money shots!
The more detailed and proven the load, the better your results/and confidence!
Sumack:
When you make your decision, and if you reload for it, try the 210 Berger VLD, or the 208 Hornady A-Max.
My rifle shoots the 210's out to 1760+ yards without a hitch!
I have loaded them to around 2950fps(2933 exactly). Using Reloader 22.
Good luck and have a sh#*t pile of fun shooting your new gun of choice!
