Remington Seven

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I do not visit this site very often but thought I would solicit comment on a recent experience.

I own two Remington Model Seven's, CDL, beautiful walnut stock etc. The first has been around for awhile and is in .308 cal. and a lovely little rifle. Fun to shoot and fun to look at. I decide to acquire the same rifle in .243 in February and five plus months later I finaly received it. Apparently I had to wait while Remington made it.

The .243 went to the range this week and was a complete disappointment. Not only was it inaccurate but it ruined the brass with a gouge the length of the case on extraction. All 40 + cases.

Today I put the .243 on the bench and found a machining flaw in the chamber. A quite large metal burr left in the machining.

I waited too long for this rifle to send it back, besides that, I did not know how or where, so, not being completely inexperienced in gunsmithing, I removed the burr.

Now to the range next week.

Has anyone else had this experience with Remington ? Has Remington quality control gone to hell ?

A short PS to this tale: I aslo have a Ruger 77 Hawkeye Compact in .243 and it's fit and finish put Remington to shame.

JG
 
I have a rem M7 stainless in .308. Moa shooter and never given me any trouble. Why did you wait so long to inspect it? Every company makesthe odd lemon, i always inspect a purchase as soon as it arives.
 
I think I would have brought it back to have it looked at (even though 5 months is a pretty painful wait!), but I'm interested in hearing how it does next time around!
 
The burr can,t be that big or you would not be able to extract case after firing, take it or send it to a Remington repair center in Canada, they should be able to repair or remington should replace rifle, I had a similar problem with a 700 police Epp,s replaced gun on the spot after inspecting.
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I have had Remington 700's with the sights cocked to the side, sticky bolt stop so the bolt will fall out, mis-aligned scope mount screw holes, rough, creepy triggers that could not be adjusted, and poor fit and finish. I won't buy one again!
 
A buddy's M673 in 350 RemMag - essentially a Model 7 - had to go to his custom smith when new as every case fired was sticky extraction. The smith said Remington didn't complete the job to finish the chamber.
 
After waiting so long for an off the shelf rifle I fully understand your disappointment. The trouble is that you are still faced with having to resolve the issue. The cheapest solution is to let Remington fix your rifle under warranty. This might not be the quickest solution and the rifle might very well come back to you after another long wait without meeting your expectations.

Solution 2 is to send the rifle to a gunsmith who can resolve the chamber problem, but it will add to the cost of the rifle, it will not be any faster turnaround than the warranty solution, and the rifle once again might not meet your expectations.

Solution 3 is to understand that the basic Remington action is an excellent design and worthy of the cost of custom work. To that end I would send the rifle to a gunsmith with instructions to make it the rifle of my dreams . . . whatever that means to you. To me it would involve a match barrel in my choice of contour and length, probably a Krieger, pillar and glass bed the stock to the action, machine and lapp the locking lugs to attain an even bearing surface, adjusting the trigger for a good clean break, or if the trigger is like a couple of Remington triggers I've experienced that are simply beyond adjusting, choose an aftermarket trigger. I like Jewel, but it is only one alternative and perhaps not even the best alternative for a hunting rifle. Finally I would have a base mount installed that would allow me to mount a low power variable scope with the ocular lens even with the rear of the cocking piece. I would choose QD rings that would allow me to easily swap scopes or use irons.

Solution 4 is to sell the turkey, probably at a loss, and replace it with an off the shelf rifle that will meet your expectations. This has the potential of being cheaper and faster than the custom route, and much faster than the warranty or repair route, without the expectation of the end product being in doubt. If you like wood, a CZ with full length wood is a beautiful rifle. Prophet River, at the top of the page, might have something you like.
 
My Model 7 in 350 Rem Mag never had a problem.
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I've never had a serious problem with ANY Remington.
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Very good guys - so happy 4U. I've had alot of Remingtons without problems too.
But the question was whether any HAD experienced major problems with new Remingtons. I think the year of manufacture might be an issue here too. Quality control can differ over time.

But again on this topic, this year I bought a brand new Remington pump 7600 that just wouldn't lock up. Before I paid the balance and took it home I asked them to open the box and let me inspect it. I've learned this is becoming a more necessary practice with all manufacturers. The "in house" smith was called out and he didn't know what was wrong upon his cursory inspection. I got my deposit back and left the gun on the counter at the gunshop. Later I found out the "in house" smith repaired it. I went elsewhere and bought the exact same rifle but one without issues.

The point is that it's not hard to find examples of NIB guns shipped with major flaws/issues these days - and not just from Remington. I say keep your warranty info for use and also have a GOOD independent smith as a plan B.
 
SuperCub said:
I've never had a serious problem with ANY Remington. cp:

I have had Remington 700's with the sights cocked to the side, sticky bolt stop so the bolt will fall out, mis-aligned scope mount screw holes, rough, creepy triggers that could not be adjusted, and poor fit and finish. I won't buy one again! .
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I keep hearing about all of these junk 700's but I never actually see one,..I've owned over 100 Rem 700's and the worst "problem" I've seen were a couple triggers that didn't adjust as low as I would have liked...I'll buy one of these "junk" Remingtons if I could find one, just to check them out for myself.
 
jgass said:
Has anyone else had this experience with Remington ? Has Remington quality control gone to hell? JG
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...Don't even get me going on Remington products as of late!!!. Quality Control has sat on the pot and taken a dump since Cerberus acquired them.
The biggest travesty by far is how their lax QC practices have infiltrated and permeated the beloved Marlin firearms co. I almost wish Marlin had just sunk to the bottom on their own without slipping on Remington/Cerberus' concrete shoes :mad:
 
... if I could find one
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Rembo's your buyer jgass. Too bad you removed the burr in the chamber. If you had left it alone he might have paid you more. :D Rembo has the smarts to switch barrels at will if required - unlike most of us. It's all win win.
 
Okay I've calmed down a lil' bit since my last post/rant :p

In Remingtons defence I will say that I have only experienced problems with their products in the last couple of years. They have a good history and some solid designs and I believe they can turn things around.
I am not as brand loyal as some of the "Ford/Chevy" die hard "REMCHESTERUGER" folks on here, as the cosmopolitan contents of my gunsafes would prove.

I still buy new Remington products, and fix the small and annoying problems, and piss and moan about it, but I wouldn't boycott them. I think if we lost Remington Arms it would be a sad day indeed.
JUST STOP F@CK$NG WITH MY MARLINS PLEASE AND THX.!!! :p
 
Amphibious said:
I have a rem M7 stainless in .308. Moa shooter and never given me any trouble. Why did you wait so long to inspect it? Every company makesthe odd lemon, i always inspect a purchase as soon as it arives.
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That being said Remington's MO lately has been trying to find an orange in a batch of lemons. They are going to go the way of the Conneticut Winchesters if they keep it up. Very sad really.
I hope that solves the problem, but I am assuming of there was enough chatter tio make a burr like that, you may also have a very ununiform chamber. Let's hope it shoots.
 
Thanks folks. I appreciate the comments. One more range trip and we shall see where we go from there.

Note to Manitou201: it was through Epp's, who for my money are about the best to deal with. Bought my first Ruger Single Six from them in 1957 !
 
jgass said:
Thanks folks. I appreciate the comments. One more range trip and we shall see where we go from there.

Note to Manitou201: it was through Epp's, who for my money are about the best to deal with. Bought my first Ruger Single Six from them in 1957 !
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Keep us informed. Good luck.
 
OK, We are back from the range. I took a Ruger Hawkeye .243 as a sort of control on the Remington. With 87gr Hornady Vmax pushed by 36 gr of RL15 both rifles were MOA at 100 yd and the brass from the Remington was undamaged. So, although all turned out well, I am cured of purchasing any new Remington rifles.
 
I own two Remingtons. One of them is a 700 "Mountain" rifle laminate stainless steel. I will say that after shooting about 50 rounds or so, the bolt feels as smooth as the Tikkas I have handled, which have very slick bolts and a great overall feel IMO. It was made, IIRC, in 2006.

Is there any notable proof Remington's quality control has been slipping? I've always heard this, but never seen much proof. I know anything mass produced has the potential to churn out lemons, Remington included, but curious what people have seen, and what areas I should look out for, as maybe I'm overlooking a lot of poor quality points on my own rifle.
 
Personaly, the burr in the chamber of a brand new Model Seven is 'notable proof'. I have had it with new Remington's. The value/for/price is just not there.
 
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