Wow, you've got some tough grouse in your part of the country!!death-junky said:i only used a 410 shotgun once and at 20 yards i could physically see the pellets bouncing off the grouse taking only feathers. then only way i got that bird was after gave the gun to a buddy and walked up to the stunned bird and broke its neck useless shot gun for over 10 yards in my opinion. 20 ga is the min for me. the only use i could see is shooting rats in a barn.....
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Riley