Remington trigger woes.

[zebra26]

Caught a report on MSNBC regarding problems with Remington 700 triggers and safety. Some guns self fire it seems for no greater reason than dirt build up. Seems Remington has known of this for years.
(yes I know, the guns should always be cleaned)
Now, I have a 700. What would recommend for a trigger replacement that won't break the bank, its for hunting and I don't mind a heavy pull.

 

[dan belisle]

I suggest not monkeying with your trigger mechanism, and keeping it clean. I think you'll find that solves 99.99999% of any possible trigger problems. Failing that, have it modified for a Model 70 style safety is a possibility. - dan

 

[sunray]

I wouldn't put too much stock in what CNBC or MSNBC says. Both are anti-firearm ownership. A 10 year study? Look at any rifle for 10 years and you'll find anything you want to find. Remington hasn't been reported as being sued, Stateside, over their triggers. That tell you anything?
"...don't mind a heavy pull..." You'll get over that when you shoot a rifle(or any firearm) with a really good trigger. It's like night and day. Rem M700 triggers are adjustable. However, Timney makes 'em. $124.95 US with or without the safety. Epp's carries 'em. Won't be $125 though.

 

[Aries-]

i doubt a 700 trigger set at factory specs is going to do what they are saying. from what i have seen its the police snipers having problems which likely means they have tuned the trigger down below factory specs which would cause problems.

Remington sets their triggers from the factory at close to 10 lbs.

Epps cannot get timney triggers at this time from what i have heard as timney didn't renew their export permit.

keep your trigger mech clean and lightly oiled, dont monkey with the trigger weight unless you know what you are doing.

 

[Leeper]

Every trigger, with the possible exception of the original two stage military triggers, will fail "for no greater reason than dirt buildup". If you want to be able leave it dirty, get yourself a Mauser 98, a Lee Enfield, or a P14 and you can wallow with it and it will still work.
Triggers from Timney, Shilen, and Riflebasix are all good replacements but all can screw up from an accumulation of dirt and debris. Regards, Bill.

 

[geologist]

Every trigger, with the possible exception of the original two stage military triggers, will fail "for no greater reason than dirt buildup". If you want to be able leave it dirty, get yourself a Mauser 98, a Lee Enfield, or a P14 and you can wallow with it and it will still work.
Triggers from Timney, Shilen, and Riflebasix are all good replacements but all can screw up from an accumulation of dirt and debris. Regards, Bill.

Bill

Would the triggers in BRNO 600/602 series and CZ 550 series rifles be Mauser-like enough to qualify to the above?

 

[Sasquatch807]

THIS IS A TIMELY SUBJECT!!!

My wife and I just got back from moose hunting last night. She bought herself a new Rem mod 700 SPS-DBM in .30-06. It had exactly 9 days worth of hunting use (from a comfortable blind built for a lady). The first time she ever tried to remove the safety, the shot went off, stripping a layer of skin from her thumb. The gun isn`t dirty (except for my wife`s blood all over the stock) and trigger wasn`t tampered with, and no, her fingers were nowhere near the trigger. I'm tempted to just install a Timney trigger rather than deal with Remington`s repair service denial that anything can be wrong with their trigger/safety mechanism. What would you do.

 

[foxytrapper]

Trade it for a Ruger, or Winchester.

 

[guntech]

Panic is setting in guys... you watch too much TV.

The 700 trigger has been and still is a great trigger...

 

[RockChucker]

Panic and please sell them to me! {Cheap}

RC

 

[Leeper]

geologist,
The BRNO/CZ triggers are workable triggers but both are unnecessarily complicated IMO. Tom Burgess showed me a trigger he had deveoped for use on the Brno rifles and it was a superior system which eliminated a whole bunch of parts. Direct acting triggers, like the mauser, are more certain than any overriding sear trigger. The truth is though, all triggers are workable; even the Browning A-bolt which may be one of the worst designs ever devised, works pretty well.
The Barber family, with Jack Belk as their expert witness, have worked for many years to get the opportunity to attack Remington on a national forum; now they have. The family's reasons for doing this are fairly obvious, they want to lay blame. Jack Belk wants to make money. In fairness, Belk may well believe what he says. Still, their contention that the design is flawed and Remington hid the fact is, IMO, wrong. The design was available for scrutiny since it's inception and many gunsmiths at least as knowledgeable as Jack Belk have worked with those triggers. Dennis and I have both worked on a whole bunch of Remington triggers over the last 35 to 40 years and neither of us has reached the same conclusion as Jack Belk. I don't think this is because we are both chronically stupid.
Sasquatch 807, your wife's rifle should have the new foolproof trigger which has eliminated the feared trigger connector and, according to Belk, is now perfect. The truth? This trigger, like virtually any other can malfunction from dirt, congealed/excessive lubricant, or misadjustment. Take it to a gunsmith who is capable and have it fixed. By the way, I have seen both Rugers and Winchesters fail as well. Regards, Bill

 

[geologist]

Thanks Bill!

 

[Sasquatch807]

Panic is setting in guys... you watch too much TV.

The 700 trigger has been and still is a great trigger...

Guntech, I`m not panicking, we`re not anti-Rem in my family. My first rifle was a 66, I use a 600 for whitetails, last year I bought my daughter a 700 BDL for moose and my wife chose a 700 SPS. I just want to know what went wrong. Both 700`s are accurate beyond what I would expect from a stock commercial rifle of that price.
The rifle is new and had never been taken off the safe position with a chambered round. Since the weekend I tried at least a hundred times to replicate this failure and it won`t do it again. My field of expertise is not Remington triggers and since I've had less than positive experiences with the Rem service center for my province I`m not sure how I should handle this problem.

LEEPER, I know this is the new and improved mechanism but it still happened.

 

[Neilm]

The same thing happened to my wife with her mountain rifle but I am 90% sure that she hsd her finger on the trigger as she released the safety and I believe this causes a lot of the Rem trigger problems especially with relatively inexperienced shooters
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[Aries-]

if you have your finger on the trigger when releasing the safety its your own damn fault you have a un-intentional discharge.

with a mechanical safety like the Remington it rotates the safety away from the sear in the trigger mech, so if you have any pressure, the sear is going to follow the safety and BOOM there goes your gun.

 

[cycbb486]

The bottom line is NEVER EVER TRUST A SAFETY. I NEVER chamber a round unless Iknow I am going to firethe shot. If I do not fire the shot I open the bolt. The only true safety is no shell in the chamber.

JMO

CBY

 

[Sasquatch807]

The bottom line is NEVER EVER TRUST A SAFETY. I NEVER chamber a round unless Iknow I am going to firethe shot. If I do not fire the shot I open the bolt. The only true safety is no shell in the chamber.

JMO

CBY

That`s all fine and good advice, but when you decide to shoot, chamber a round and the shot goes off while moving the safety from "safe" to "fire" position, what do you do about that.

 

[Leeper]

Sasquatch807,
This is not the first of the new triggers I have heard of malfunctioning. As I said, according to Jack Belk, this trigger is now safe and trouble free because the dreaded connector is gone. Could it be he is wrong? I always said the connector issue was a red herring and the problem is dimensional variations which are not caught by quality control. As I said, take it to a gunsmith who is capable and have it fixed or replaced. One thing you can easily do for yourself is make sure the safety moves all the way into the "safe" position. Make sure the stock is not interfering with safety operation. If it is not fully engaged, it may fail in the manner you describe. Regards, Bill

 

[cycbb486]

Like I said

That`s all fine and good advice, but when you decide to shoot, chamber a round and the shot goes off while moving the safety from "safe" to "fire" position, what do you do about that.

I NEVER TRUST A SAFETY. If there is no round in the chamber there is NO REASON to move the safety from safe to fire. I close the bolt, aim and fire. No need for the safety.

There is a reason Benchrest shooters do not have safties on there triggers, cannot be relied on. If a cease fire is called the rifle is unchambered, shell removed and the bolt as well. That is the ONLY TRUE SAFETY.

CBY

 

[arcaswiss]

I share your sentiments. I recently bought a 700 P and on my 6th shot through the barrel I had a "remington moment." I switched my safety to "fire" and the gun discharged without my finger coming close to the trigger. Weird stuff. I found out that I had the older model trigger on it and it was set to 2.5 lbs. right from the factory as the screws were glued on the trigger assembly. I took it back to the dealer and had a "timney" with a safety installed. Used it yesterday without any problem.