Remington vs sf ll users

The VSSF, Sendero and 5R Remington 700's are great guns and worth every penny in my books. I've had a few of them over the years and all have shot extremely well, including a VSSF in 220 Swift. Fit and finish is top notch, and they are very nice looking guns with the jeweled bolt and blackened flutes (VSSF & Sendero). I always regretted selling one of these, but I just don't have a need for a 10+ pound varmint rig, so keep that in mind when purchasing. These are long and heavy guns.

I like older Tikka's and own a couple of M695's and M65's, but the new T3's leave me unimpressed. The stock on the Remington VSSF is reason enough to choose it over the Tikka.
 
You could have a look at the CZs. I absolutely love mine... I love the trigger on it. Also, the new winchester m70 is a beautiful gun. I haven't fired one, but it seems to be a really nice rifle for the $1000 mark...
 
Let's be honest here. The 1k you are paying for a Tikka Heavy Barrel Varmint is for the excellent action, trigger, barrel, quality control and the tolerances they put into making their guns. The stock is worth $50 but it does work well and I have no issues with mine. So all my money is going to the parts where it counts. Tikka also guarantees 5 shot moa accuracy at 100. Regardless of how much stock you put into "gun accuracy warranties" if nothing else it shows that they have faith in their product since we know full well Bubba will buy a box of crappy tire ammo and expect it to shoot like that and complain if it doesn't so they must make a pretty accurate gun or we'd be hearing time and again of people having poor accuracy and bringing them back.

$1200 at Remington gets you,...well lets see. It has a good HS stock and you know that didn't cost them more than $100. They also don't give you any kind of accuracy warranty. The fact that you mention having to blueprint the action on a build further proves the point that they can't get it right at the factory, and even though you have never had one built you are aware that this is common practice. Why would you have to blueprint the action before putting an aftermarket barrel on if it's good to go from Remington, like it should be? 24hour is FULL of remington builds and virtually all of them mention truing/blueprinting near the top of things they did to it. (Surprise! My build is also having the action blueprinted). They also usually throw the xmark pro trigger in the garbage and put a timney in or tune an old one.

You can buy a used 700 short action rifle on the EE for ~$500, get $50 for selling the barrel and if you get the old style trigger you don't need a new one. Say $700 for a new barrel put on and $300 for a take off stock on the EE. Puts you at $1450 and you know that rig will shoot lights out. If you feel it necessary to true the action, put a new trigger in, maybe a few other things like a bolt knob, fluting etc, sure you are looking at $2k but if Remington makes a good action, blueprinting won't be needed.

Again, I have had several Remingtons and most of them worked fine. The problem I have is when you are talking "accuracy" and "$1200" factory remington doesn't fit in the picture for me. I loved my 700 walnut mountain rifle in 260 rem, my cdl model 7 and a bush beater sps etc. but they don't cost $1200 and I don't expect them to be "accurate" in the same way a varmint rifle should be.


It's youre cash, JMHO
 
kman300 said:
Again, I have had several Remingtons and most of them worked fine. The problem I have is when you are talking "accuracy" and "$1200" factory remington doesn't fit in the picture for me. I loved my 700 walnut mountain rifle in 260 rem, my cdl model 7 and a bush beater sps etc. but they don't cost $1200 and I don't expect them to be "accurate" in the same way a varmint rifle should be.
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So have you actually owned a VSSF II?
 
kman300 said:
Yes, as well as 4 other factory Remingtons and a custom and a second one in the works. So that would be 8 factory Remingtons and two Remington actions for builds. How many Tikkas have you had?
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Currently two M695's, a 338 and 300 WM and an M65 in 30-06 and 270.
I've had a T3 in 270 and 223 and a T3 SS varmint in 22-250.
I've also had an 5R in 223 and 308, a Sendero in 25-06, 264 and 7STW and a VSSF II in 220 Swift and 223, then there's the CDL's, BDL's and M7's. Also around 5 or so rebarreled/customized ones based on a 700.
The only one I kept is an old BDL in 222 Rem.

My thoughts are that when I spent the $1000 or so, the Remingtons with the HS stocks felt like money well spent. The T3's feel cheap. Accuracy was pretty similar across the board, and the 5R's rivalled some customs, especially the 308.
 
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If you can't see a difference between how the fitting/machining was done on the tikka vs the remingtons I don't know what to tell you.
 
bearkilr said:
You mean like the stock mold lines and the plastic bolt shroud?
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We already established that the stock isn't worth much and that your money goes to the excellent barrel, trigger and action. The one you don't have to blue print, has both bolt lugs for bearing surfaces, doesn't have burs that scratch your brass, sticky bolt stops that have edges from machining, rough chambers, and the list goes on. When I have more time to amuse myself with your obvious bias, even though you currently own tikkas but didn't mention how many remingtons you currently have, I will take some pictures to illustrate the differences I'm talking about. You might just be what's called a visual learner.
 
kman300 said:
We already established that the stock isn't worth much and that your money goes to the excellent barrel, trigger and action. The one you don't have to blue print, has both bolt lugs for bearing surfaces, doesn't have burs that scratch your brass, sticky bolt stops that have edges from machining, rough chambers, and the list goes on. When I have more time to amuse myself with your obvious bias, even though you currently own tikkas but didn't mention how many remingtons you currently have, I will take some pictures to illustrate the differences I'm talking about. You might just be what's called a visual learner.
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Yeah, actually I did, post #26:

bearkilr said:
The only one I kept is an old BDL in 222 Rem.
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Whatever floats your boat. All I'm saying is that I've had quite a few of both brands and to me the VSSF II is superior to the T3 HB Varmint in all respects. Don't bother with pictures, I can just look at my guns for "visual learning", as you so aptly put it.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine, I think I can live with it, but you're not going to change my opinion. :cheers:
 
bearkilr said:
Yeah, actually I did, post #26:



Whatever floats your boat. All I'm saying is that I've had quite a few of both brands and to me the VSSF II is superior to the T3 HB Varmint in all respects. Don't bother with pictures, I can just look at my guns for "visual learning", as you so aptly put it.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine, I think I can live with it, but you're not going to change my opinion. :cheers:
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Tikka/sako have better barrels, better triggers and receivers that don't need to be trued. They also guarantee accuracy. Those are facts. How is the remington superior to that again?
 
kman300 said:
Tikka/sako have better barrels, better triggers and receivers that don't need to be trued. They also guarantee accuracy. Those are facts. How is the remington superior to that again?
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You don't need warranties and insurance when value is empirically demonstrated.
 
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