Remington vs Winchester

[John Y Cannuck]

Winchester wins hands down.

 

[dan belisle]

In the American tradition of doing things on a grander scale - .277 on 30-06 case vs .268 on 8x57 case

Actually the Chinese 6.8x57 is a .277 diameter if memory serves. Basically, it's the 7.9 Mauser (8X57) necked down to .277, according to Olsen. - dan

 

[pharaoh2]

Winchester has been pumping out great cartridges since the late 1800's. Nobody else has their track record. All the other companies just try to keep up.

 

[longleader]

Actually the Chinese 6.8x57 is a .277 diameter if memory serves. Basically, it's the 7.9 Mauser (8X57) necked down to .277, according to Olsen. - dan

Dan, just appreciated the humour in your other post and continued by poking some harmless fun at our southern neighbours. I guess I shouldn’t do that; we Canadian shooters would be much the poorer without their contributions to firearms and cartridge development.

As for the facts, I think your memory serves well. It always seems odd to me though how the Europeans and most other metric countries measure their calibers across the lands (that’s why a .308 Winchester is a 7.62 instead of 7.82), rather than groove or bullet diameter, as is the common American way nowadays. Don’t know which came first, but the latter makes more sense to me, as that is the size of projectile being launched. Measuring our way, the .270 would actually be very close to a true 7mm cartridge, as was the 6.8 Chinese.

But - back to the thread - I’d have to vote Winchester. Just ‘cause I like their horse & rider logo.

 

[dan belisle]

No problem. I wonder now if one of the mavens at Winchester got hold of a Chinese Mauser and ammo somewhere and thought "what an interesting bullet diameter, but I can't get German brass to save my life. Hmm, maybe if I just neck down the 30-06 to this....". Still, nothing truly new under the sun, I guess. - dan

 

[Riflechair]

Frankly Governments have developed most of our modern cartridges for military applications. Lots of companies adopted them for their hunting and target shooting clients.

.30-06 Springfield
8X57 Mauser
7X57 Mauser
.308 Winchester / 7.62 NATO
.223 Remington / 5.56 NATO

The list goes on

So my answer is neither Winchester or Remington
Having said that both companies have developed some great wildcats (off these military cartridges) which became mainstream eventually. For example the 6mm remington is a necked down 7X57 mauser and the .243 Winchester is a necked down .308 Winchester.

Both companies only really started getting into some real development when they branched into belted magnums and short magnums (with a few exceptions)

With that in mind I think my answer is as follows.

Winchester in my opinion came out with the bulk of our day to day "Go To" cartridge classics. Remington isn't too far behind. As far as originality is concerned as making calibres specific to their rifles - I would have to say Weatherby.

 

[dan belisle]

"6mm remington is a necked down 7X57 mauser"

With a slight change of shoulder position and angle. there was a 6 X 57 Mauser as well, actually. Amazingly, almost all of these calibers and versions were dreamed up before WW1. The 7.62X51 (a 308 at heart, if not in fact) came along in the fifties, but again, it was a government backed modification of the 300 Savage case. Lots of interesting historical tidbits with these things (well, OK, only to a gun geek, but still..). - dan