Remington VTR in .308 Win.......tack driver or run of the mill???

[pricedo]

American Rifleman Remington VTR (.308 Win.) range test

I just read a field test on a Remington VTR in .308 Win. in this months American Rifleman (NRA) magazine and the 3 shot groups with 165 -168 grain factory ammo averaged around 1.5" and spread out to over 2" with 180 grain factory ammo.

It ain't no tackdriver ..........thats for sure.

I have a stock Ruger Model 77 that has a trigger pull like a fence post that'll do better & if a rifle can't outshoot a stock Ruger it's a slum bum in the accuracy department.

I recall an "out of the box" Remington 40-XBBR in .22-250 I owned almost 2 decades ago that I could consistently shoot <1/2 MOA groups with........hungover with a crosswind.

I'm starting to think that the newfangled Remingtons have got more eccentric in looks and group size over the last couple of years.

 

[Satain]

Interesting cuz when I use the soft point 180 grain winchester's from wally world I get on average 1" some times less, depending on how much coffee I drank. I do agree since I own one of these rifles that it's deffenatly not no precision rifle by any means but a not to bad when it come's to hunting. I think remington has thrown the quality control out the window lately though. But then again that's why the is company's like Alberta tactical rifle's, Adam's lake barrel rifle's and that those sort of precision company to get these all right clunker's in to precision tac driving rifles.

 

[Obtunded]

Satain, I think you make a great point; the thing I become frustrated with is the belief that people will get better accuracy by spending more moneyor by investing in funky-shaped barrels. If true maximum accuracy and precision are the ultimate goal, spend the money on the parts that make a difference.

Unlike many other forums that specialize in precision shooting and precision rifles, CGN is open to a wide variety of backgrounds and preferences (Which is great!) and the whole "precision" thing has sort of gotten blurred to mean expensive factory Remingtons and Savages. These guns can be quite acceptable, but I think people's accuracy expectations are sometimes short-changed by some of the info they get discussing this topic in a precision forum.

 

[pricedo]

Satain, I think you make a great point; the thing I become frustrated with is the belief that people will get better accuracy by spending more moneyor by investing in funky-shaped barrels. If true maximum accuracy and precision are the ultimate goal, spend the money on the parts that make a difference.

Unlike many other forums that specialize in precision shooting and precision rifles, CGN is open to a wide variety of backgrounds and preferences (Which is great!) and the whole "precision" thing has sort of gotten blurred to mean expensive factory Remingtons and Savages. These guns can be quite acceptable, but I think people's accuracy expectations are sometimes short-changed by some of the info they get discussing this topic in a precision forum.

These guns can be quite acceptable, but I think people's accuracy expectations are sometimes short-changed by some of the info they get discussing this topic in a precision forum.

We're not exactly country bumpkins here on CGN either.

For a few of us reality came home to stay for a while with an auto sector pink slip.

I don't expect any stock firearm to achieve the accuracy of a $5000 rifle with a Surgeon action mated to a Krieger barrel.

But in this economy who has $5000 to spend on a rifle that will knock the center out of the "10 ring" and won't kill a whitetail any deader than a Marlin 336 in .30-30 for 1/10 the money?

... I think remington has thrown the quality control out the window lately though...

So, for most of us stuck in "reality land" accuracy is high end Remingtons & Savages and will soon be just high end Savages because it looks, from anecdotal information I've been hearing lately, like Remington has taken the same trip into junkdom that Winchester took in the early 1970s.

I have to admit that my mind wandered back to the outstanding accuracy of that old Remington 40-XBBR (that I should never have sold) when I bought the VTR and I expected a lot more.

I'm sorry but 1.5 - 2 MOA is NOT varmint or tactical accuracy in my books.

 

[larcon]

I have a VTR in 223... and like what was aforementioned, i cant afford to drop $5000 on a true blue custom precision rifle. i get consistent sub moa results with of the shelf quality ammo. We need to keep in mind that mine is a $700 factory rifle out of the box with an elite 3500 5-15 mounted so i think that its a great rifle for its price and its light weight so it would be easy to carry, this being said my next remy in 308 will be an sps varmit