Remington wingmaster of yester year better quality than today's .

JIMMY 808 said:
Out in the West

A flat is 250 shells
A case is 500 shells
And a pallet or skid is 120 flats

So if you are saying you Shot 30 pallets 30k shells a year for 30 years on one 870?

Ya ok buddy...
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YA buddy . I skid or pallet is 30,000 with my math also but we reloaded our own
No I am not saying that was every year for 30 years but there was years I reloaded and shot 25,000 rounds of shotgun in 4 gauges a year pending what was going on. In those days it was as many as eight 870's we carried. You did not go to a meet days drives from home with out a spare set of guns in those days. 2 410, 2 28, 2 20 and 2 12. We bought lead by 100 bags at a time and six 12 pounders of 700x at a time just for 12ga
10,000 rounds a year would have been an average year for just practice with no meets or 8 rounds a week x 52 weeks
When you are trying to run 100's cannot do that with out lots of ammo

Bet there was years spank hollared pull 25,000 times if not more with hopefully no LOST :)
Remember these Spank. I still have two unopened I think :)
Cheers

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3macs1 said:
?? No the 85 and the other
Cheers
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I have no idea where you got the idea he had chokes installed? If he had I’d have mentioned it. And I have seen a few damaged barrels from stuck wads, mud, snow, even a cattail stuck in one being used as a cleaning rod in the field but not one of them did the entire gun literally come apart. I know the guy was shooting reloads.
 
3macs1 said:
YA buddy . I skid or pallet is 30,000 with my math also but we reloaded our own
No I am saying that was every year for 30 years but there was years I reloaded and shot 25,000 rounds of shotgun in 4 gauges a year pending what was going on. In those days it was as many as eight 870's we carried. You did not go to a meet days drives from home with out a spare set of guns in those days. 2 410, 2 28, 2 20 and 2 12. We bought lead by 100 bags at a time and 6 12 pounders of 700x at a time
10,000 rounds a year would have been an average year for just practice with no meets or 8 rounds a week x 52 weeks
When you are trying to run 100's cannot do that with out lots of ammo

Bet there was years spank hollared pull 25,000 times if not more
Cheers
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Ok you had commented that you had a 870 trap with 30 pallets through it.

25k registered targets a year I bet he hasn’t nor have I.

Hitting the 100k mark in a discipline is considered a big deal most don’t do that in a lifetime of shooting.
 
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JIMMY 808 said:
Ok.

25k registered targets a year I bet he hasn’t nor have I.

Hitting the 100k mark in a discipline is considered a big deal most don’t do that in a lifetime of shooting.
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You are just being a pain now. Where did I say they were all registered targets.
Well with skeet it got to that stage when 90's did not even place. Something I could never master on a regular basis so eventually tossed in the towel , sold the expensive guns and went back to shooting for fun with guess what 870's right where I started in the mid 60's
If we went to shoot a round of skeet today it would be with a 870 28ga wingmaster with the old mag weight on it
Cheers

Lets see for giggles 2017 skeet in western canada Not much has changed IMO don't run the 100's or real close don't win

12 Gauge Main
Champion: Bob LaRue 100/100
Runner Up: Doug Romilly 98/100
A-1: Mike McMichael 92/100
B-1: John Sanderson 97/100
C-1: Greg Meister 96/100
D-1: Jenna Leggett 91/100
E-1: Bob Pieper 86/100

20 Gauge Main
Champion: Bob LaRue 99/100
Runner Up: John Sanderson 96/100
A-1: Mike McMichael 95/100
B-1: Lloyd Wilson 92/100 B-1: Greg Meister 92/100
C-1: Elaine Hoeppner 93/100
D-1: Greg Burgess 81/100
 
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the spank said:
I have no idea where you got the idea he had chokes installed? If he had I’d have mentioned it. And I have seen a few damaged barrels from stuck wads, mud, snow, even a cattail stuck in one being used as a cleaning rod in the field but not one of them did the entire gun literally come apart. I know the guy was shooting reloads.
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Maybe this comment
In the late 80’s or early 90’s there was a very large class action suit against Remington for their 870 Rem Choke barrels bursting. I had a buddy who had one bulge behind the choke and wedged the choke in solid.
 
JIMMY 808 said:
Ok you had commented that you had a 870 trap with 30 pallets through it.

25k registered targets a year I bet he hasn’t nor have I.

Hitting the 100k mark in a discipline is considered a big deal most don’t do that in a lifetime of shooting.
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I quote

My tc trap has a ton more that 30 flats through it
 
3macs1 said:
You are just being a pain now. Where did I say they were all registered targets.
Well with skeet it got to that stage when high 90's did not even place. Something I could never master on a regular basis so eventually tossed in the towel , sold the expensive guns and went back to shooting for fun with guess what 870's right where I started in the mid 60's
If we went to shoot a round of skeet today it would be with a 870 28ga wingmaster with the old mag weight on it
Cheers
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With your math you where shooting 15k registered a year that’s like what 30 shoots a year? How many skeet clubs NS have and is is it ever winter there?
 
JIMMY 808 said:
With your math you where shooting 15k registered a year that’s like what 30 shoots a year? How many skeet clubs NS have and is is it ever winter there?
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Ok I am done with your foolishness. NO WHERE did I say 15k registered targets a year. 10K was only mentioned as a min average year of practice and NO WHERE did I say I shot in Nova Scotia
take care
 
3macs1 said:
Maybe this comment
In the late 80’s or early 90’s there was a very large class action suit against Remington for their 870 Rem Choke barrels bursting. I had a buddy who had one bulge behind the choke and wedged the choke in solid.
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Ok my friend. But I did say Remchoke barrels and my buddy had one that bulged. And yes I remember those big kegs of 700 X. I suspect for every registered target I have ever shot I shot ten times as many non-registered. I can’t afford to shoot 10,000+ registered targets each season. Maybe I could if the club was in my back yard but it’s not and the way clubs are scattered so far and wide on the prairies the travel expenses are a killer!
 
3macs1 said:
GOOD. Enjoy your model 12's
Cheers
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Last person I shot with at a shoot with a model 12 has passed away a few years ago. Much the same thing as the 870 the only place they are really shot is on the internet or informal shooting around my travels.
 
the spank said:
Ok my friend. But I did say Remchoke barrels and my buddy had one that bulged. And yes I remember those big kegs of 700 X. I suspect for every registered target I have ever shot I shot ten times as many non-registered. I can’t afford to shoot 10,000+ registered targets each season. Maybe I could if the club was in my back yard but it’s not and the way clubs are scattered so far and wide on the prairies the travel expenses are a killer!
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It is all good spank.:)
I am not sure what old model 12 was saying since No where in my numbers did I even mention registered targets. Just rounds reloaded and fired. Every year was different but no year in those days were there less than 10,000 rounds all in 870's which was all I could afford in those days trying to shoot four gauges
Cheers
 
JIMMY 808 said:
Last person I shot with at a shoot with a model 12 has passed away a few years ago. Much the same thing as the 870 the only place they are really shot is on the internet or informal shooting around my travels.
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I am sincerely sorry to hear that. I am going to say mid 90's was the last here for a model 12 I seen. A nice skeet gun with a big old cutts on the end and the nicest wood one would ever find. You knew he was there by the bark out of it
I have not seen him or the gun since but he is still alive. Still see 870's from time to time all informal as you say mainly hunters trying to get ready for a season
Been a long time since I watch someone use a pump like I remember watching growing up but it sure is fun however showing up with one today and watching the faces especially a 28ga :)
take care
Joe
 
madtrapper143 said:
I have to say cosmetically, fit and finish seems nicer on early Wingmasters. But having owned and shot early Wingmasters, late Wingmasters and Express guns in most gauges (except .410) I have to say the built in quality and durability has not changed. Yes I know there has been some quality control issues but overall I feel the Remington 870 is as good as ever.

Darryl
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I agree and I have done about the same as far as owning and shooting them other than my new ones would be between 2000 and 2005 and I really don't know what the ones today are like since I don't work on guns any more other than my own

Things I like over vintage ones are the 12 ga are all 3" min and they have choke tubes, the flex tab system is better I guess but I honestly never needed it in all my years of shooting them maybe I don't short chuck. Plus I like the look of the vintage chrome lifter :)
I am not a fan of the LC barrels nor do I like the pressed checkering on the wood . I find the quality of the bluing poor compared to vintage
They seem to be smooth to operate but not as smooth as a 50's made wingmaster but then again nor are any other years. 50's were special and I don't know why but they are as close to a model 31 as one would find as far as smooth action
I would not buy a new one without holding it in my hands and going all over it but would have no issues buying one new today
One I have had that j lock on it which I hate but that didnot last
One of my 2000 is a 28ga with choke tubes and she is just as sweet as my 69 model and become a go to gun with zero issues
Just my take on them
Cheers
 
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