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I have a over under that isn't firing the top barrel.

the firing pin hole looks oval and not circle and the firing pin itself isn't present in the hole. On the bottom barrel, the firing pin is there and the hole is circular.

I'd like to get the gun fixed if its possible. It's not a overly expensive gun, so I am hoping its not a expensive repair job.
 
Just about anything short of catastrophic damage to the receiver is repairable. Whether it's worth it is sometimes the question.

From your short description, it sounds like a broken firing pin and maybe rebushing of the hole. Shouldn't be a big job but depends on lots of factors. Are parts available or are they simple to make or repair?
Specifics of the design and the damage such as are there already bushings around the firing pin or does it need to be drilled out and a bushing fabricated?
The only sure way to find out would be to take it to a gunsmith and ask. Pictures and more information about the make and model might get a little more information here.
 
I can't post pictures, I don't have a image hosting site or whatever I need to upload a picture too.

I will contact a gun smith and see what they say. Thanks!
 
Well - The fix may be as simple as cleaning up the firing pin and the firing pin cavity - but you have to take the butt stock off to do that. If the fix involves a new firing pin, or spring, then sourcing parts is the issue. If its a north American gun, then you can probably get parts. If its one of the many inexpensive European imports (Belgian, Spanish, Italian) then getting parts may be problematic. Since you have not identified the make, the advice stops here.
 
As mentioned, a lot more info needs to be provided to be able to give any sort of advice you may find value in. As of now, the best advice would be to relegate the gun to wall hanger status and move forward with different firearm options.
 
Trying to imagine what would cause the firing pin opening to go oval as described. Heavy use with a water on stone wearing effect might do it, but why only one barrel? A catastrophic incident when opening or closing, somehow breaking off the firing pin at the same time? That would explain the damage, but how could it actually happen?
 
Big Bad said:
Trying to imagine what would cause the firing pin opening to go oval as described. Heavy use with a water on stone wearing effect might do it, but why only one barrel? A catastrophic incident when opening or closing, somehow breaking off the firing pin at the same time? That would explain the damage, but how could it actually happen?
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Things I can think of would be: using with a bent pin, pin sticking in the primer while it's opened, poorly made pin or hole that wasn't centered, punctured primer cutting into the edge of the hole...

Need to pop it apart and look at what's left.
 
cosmic said:
Well - The fix may be as simple as cleaning up the firing pin and the firing pin cavity - but you have to take the butt stock off to do that. If the fix involves a new firing pin, or spring, then sourcing parts is the issue. If its a north American gun, then you can probably get parts. If its one of the many inexpensive European imports (Belgian, Spanish, Italian) then getting parts may be problematic. Since you have not identified the make, the advice stops here.
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I know what your saying is true. I've made some calls and no one has replacement parts.

Gun is a "Ricol" brand. 20 gauge over under. Made in turkey.

I talked to a gun smith and he said the top firing pin hole is often drilled diagonal, so when I see a ovalish hole it might supposed to be like that he said. I didn't take the gun to him to look at, he's 3 hours away.
 
Mount Sweetness said:
What make and model?
Is the gun worth more than $500?
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It's Ricol 20 gauge over under. I dont know what the model is. It's not stamped.

I paid less than 300$ for it, but I love the gun and they are no longer made anymore. The beauty of this gun is its a over under 20 gauge with 16.5 inch barrels with interchangle chokes. I can't find another similar gun for 20g and 16.5 barrels. Oh and single trigger. I don't really like the double trigger
 
Welcome to the wondeful world of Turkish firearms. Just great until they're not. Have you taken the butt stock off and had a look at it? Sounds like a broken firing pin or broken hammer. It's possible that the hammer for that barrel isn't cocking at all. Might be a broken cocking piece. Many O/Us have oval shaped firing pin holes for the reasons that your gunsmith gave.
 
bdft said:
Welcome to the wondeful world of Turkish firearms. Just great until they're not. Have you taken the butt stock off and had a look at it? Sounds like a broken firing pin or broken hammer. It's possible that the hammer for that barrel isn't cocking at all. Might be a broken cocking piece. Many O/Us have oval shaped firing pin holes for the reasons that your gunsmith gave.
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GUn does #### and "click" when you pull the trigger, but no mark on the shell and no firing pin to be seen.

I am going to take it apart tomorrow.
 
As I said in your other post get in touch with Corwin arms Kamloops BC Martin is the man!
 
O/U firing pin holes can oval over time with LOTS of use at least in quality guns and by lots of use I am talking hundreds of thousands of rounds. Cheap made guns will wear much quicker being made from lesser quality materials. Depending on the make the expense of drilling the receiver face to install a bushing(if the gun isn't factory done with changeable face) may be more than the gun is worth. As an example Laib's in MN does them on Perazzi's and Rem 3200's for $750US.
 
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guess it depends how much you like this gun. the correct way to fix it is to replace firing pins ,and if it is apart, might just as well do the springs , the drill out the firing pin hole and bush it back to its normal size. likely in the 5 to 6 hundred range.
 
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