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Hi I was just wondering if any one out there has heard that Metal replica revolvers are considered prohibited in Canada? I know that I have bought one in in the west ed mall in '99 and have seen them there since then as well as there are a couple of companies that I have found in Canada who are selling them. So which one is it ? I brought one into Canada from California last January. I was throught the air ports in my checked bagadge and I never had a problem. I also made one into a cane and showed it to a police officer and asked if it was prohibited or if it would get me into trouble to use it. He said to be carful where you use it, but never said it was illegal. So I will leave it up to you all Is it illegal as far as you know and do any of you have or had them and had any problems? I find it strange that I am legally licenced to buy restricted fire arms but it seems that I am not allowed to buy a non working replica made out of pot metal to hang on the wall. :confused: I am interested in finding out what it is. I will be going to my local detatchment and asking them the same Question as well. I my bring along a photo to show him as well and if it is illegal I guess it is Time to destroy it :mad:
 
Replica firearms are prohibited.

I think it's because they "don't have a legitimate purpose."

Same reason they want to make handguns prohibs.
 
I tried to bring in a replica MP-40, a while back and it was seized by Customs.I was lucky that they agreed to send it back to the seller so I could get a refund,otherwise they were going to destroy it. So, from what I was told,it is illegal to own replicas of any sort. Mike
 
I find it strange that I am legally licenced to buy restricted fire arms but it seems that I am not allowed to buy a non working replica made out of pot metal to hang on the wall
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The other strange thing is anyone can legally own a deactivated firearm, which would practically be the same as a replica.
 
Replica's that are designed to accurately resemble an antique are allowed into Canada. One's that resemble a modern firearm are prohibited.
 
See what happens when you let people that know nothing about guns make up gun law?

We would NEVER let motor vehicle laws be created by dorks that cant drive, or let weenies that are afraid to fly run the Air Traffic Control.
 
Years ago there were some stories in the newspapers about how easy it would be to convert a replica to actually fire. Never mind that the metal was so soft you could bend it in your bare hands (I have), the public panicked and the government over-reacted and gun-owners didn't care enough to put up a resistance.

I still don't care. They're junk.
 
From what I have found out so far, any replica resembaling a fire arm made before 1898 is considered to be legal because they are considered an antique just as weaponteck said... Now I also talked to a person from a Vancover distributer and He said that They would not even be able to import them into Canada if they were Illegal and they have been selling them for 8 years. I tried to get a proper discripcion last night from the fire arms office and the two things she read to me were contradictory of each other, so we are getting the legal department to figure it out. I have my restricted and I don't want something that is a pot metal reproduction to ruin that for me. So I am being overly cautious so that if they say it is legal than I can at lest rest easy knowing that I did all I was saposte to be doing, and I didn't just ignore what could be a potential problem. I will let you all know more when I find it out. I will also get the wed site so any one else interested in them can cheack them out.;)
As a side note: I guess they are comparing them to any antique fire arm that amunition is no longer available for and is considered to be some thing that you can buy with out a licence!
 
Replicas of post 1898 firearms are "Prohibited Devices". BUT IIRC, if you owned it prior to 1998 you could continue to own it. (How do you prove, or the Crown DISproves that though?) Replicas can be owned legally and used for Film/theatrical/publication props and I think even some WWI & WW2 re-enactors carry them. But use them in a crime and you'd be in some serious doo-doo.

In my personal opinion, you should stop going to your local police and pestering them about your replicas. Your average Policeman isn't necessarily up on the convoluted firearms & replicas laws and sooner or later you're going to get one who's going to say "illegal!" whether it is or not. Keep them at home and act responsibly with them so you don't ruin it for the rest of us. No more legal consumer ones (Film props are a different matter) are ever coming in.

Yeah, just looked at the CFC website: go to the link in Silverback's previous post and it lays it all out.
 
Not sure the question requires a reply such as the last one, but it is true that they are not illegal, but rather prohibited devices. They can be sold and bought, but if exported cannot be imported back into Canada nor can ones be imported from the US. I would not take them out because of the over reactions of police these days though. And the point that the police do not know the laws they are enforcing is also correct.
On a different tack if anyone has a replica derringer I would be interested in hearing about if your selling.
 
Look in the Criminal Code.... section 84......it has the definition fo replicas and for antiques....replicas are prohib. and this section has all the info on prohibited weaponsa and devices...type criminal code into google and look for a government website to get the regs to look at.....just cause you can buy it in canada, does not mean YOU should be trying to bring it in....just a thought
 
p.s. the CC has stipulations on antiques....the year isnt always the most important, because the wording is such that you must determine what kind of cartridge or projectile the real antique firearm would shoot.
 
tntsigs said:
Not sure the question requires a reply such as the last one, but it is true that they are not illegal, but rather prohibited devices. They can be sold and bought, but if exported cannot be imported back into Canada nor can ones be imported from the US. I would not take them out because of the over reactions of police these days though. And the point that the police do not know the laws they are enforcing is also correct.
On a different tack if anyone has a replica derringer I would be interested in hearing about if your selling.
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Sorry but you are wrong. They are illegal if you did not have them before December 1, 1998. They can not legally be bought and sold. You are grandfathered for possession but not for acquisition.

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets/replica_e.asp
Possessing or Acquiring Replica Firearms

As an individual, you may keep any replicas that you owned on December 1, 1998. You do not need a licence to possess a replica firearm and it does not have to be registered. However, you cannot acquire, make or import a replica firearm. If you take a replica firearm out of Canada, you cannot bring it back in.
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There is an exception in the Criminal Code on possession of a replica handgun but it is only for possession and not for acquisition. Because the law came into force on December 1, 1998 any replica you had before that date is legally yours. Transfers or imports after that date are illegal. Once again, antique replicas are excluded.

"replica firearm"
"replica firearm" means any device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, a firearm, and that itself is not a firearm, but does not include any such device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, an antique firearm;

"prohibited device" means
(e) a replica firearm


Unauthorized possession of prohibited weapon or restricted weapon
(2) Subject to subsection (4), every person commits an offence who possesses a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, other than a replica firearm, or any prohibited ammunition, without being the holder of a licence under which the person may possess it.
 
zd88 said:
p.s. the CC has stipulations on antiques....the year isnt always the most important, because the wording is such that you must determine what kind of cartridge or projectile the real antique firearm would shoot.
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On the technicality, that since a non-firing replica is equated the same as a live-firing antique firearm (derringer in this case) it can only be defined as an "antique replica/firearm" if does not chamber the calibers that are not exempt from the set of "antique calibers". If we were to look at a Derringer in a live-firing form it is chambered in .41RF which IS an exempt caliber - the fact that a non-firing replica cannot chamber any caliber at all all the more affirms it's status as an "antique firearm". Antique replicas, or Antique firearms do not fall under the laws of regular firearms or firearm replicas. All you have to prove is some generally historical facts about the replica antique firearm; such as the date it was invented and the caliber... and thats it. On the CFC fact sheet it says

" Selling Antique Firearms: There are no restrictions on selling, buying, bartering or giving away your antique firearms."

"Manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;

Centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson; 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges"
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...only to make my point clear. Anyone can legally import an "Antique replica" if they so choose as long as it falls under those specifications.

Edit: Unfortunately there are only so many popularly desired "Antique replicas" that it makes this 'loop hole' bitter-sweet - unless of course you're down with old school firearms like I am.
 
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