Report Leased Land Access Issues Alberta

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The facts are simple, Alberta hunters are constantly being denied access by leaseholders. If you have been a victim of these leaseholder who has denied you access please file your complaint at

https://afga.org/25227-2/


Personally Ive been denied acces for not being a friend or doing work for the leaseholder. I also go banned from leased land for using a elk bugle to hunt bull elk during archery rut season, I was only allowed to cow call according to leaseholder. Charges were not pressed on the leaseholder as it was thier first offence for hunter harrasment which is fair in my opinion.

They are also looking for examples leaseholders who don't allow access because they are running thier own outfiiter companies. In my opinion they are basically getting away with breaking the wildlife act where it is unlawful to directly or indirectly buy or sell, trade or harter, or offer to buy or sell access to any land for the purpose of hunting any big game, furbearing animals or game birds.

Such as the GRL34101 they have outfitting companies . They have a very generous leaseholder agreement allows them access to on leased Crown land come first served basis. They seem to be full for hunting no matter when you call.

Anyways I submitted many of my experiences this morning, hopefully others will do the same and make a change for the betterment of Alberta hunters. These leaseholder are getting plain ignorant and greedy and I hear the same from many, many Alberta hunters.



https://afga.org/25227-2/
 
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lebluedragon said:
The facts are simple, Alberta hunters are constantly being denied access by leaseholders. If you have been a victim of these leaseholder who has denied you access please file your complaint at

https://afga.org/25227-2/


Personally Ive been denied acces for not being a friend or doing work for the leaseholder. I also go banned from leased land for using a elk bugle to hunt bull elk during archery rut season, I was only allowed to cow call according to leaseholder. Charges were not pressed on the leaseholder as it was thier first offence for hunter harrasment which is fair in my opinion.

They are also looking for examples leaseholders who don't allow access because they are running thier own outfiiter companies. In my opinion they are basically getting away with breaking the wildlife act where it is unlawful to directly or indirectly buy or sell, trade or harter, or offer to buy or sell access to any land for the purpose of hunting any big game, furbearing animals or game birds.

Such as the GRL34101 who own 2 outfitting companies in wmu 304/305. They have a very generous leaseholder agreement allows them access to on first come first served basis. They seem to be full for hunting no matter when you call.

Anyways I submitted many of my experiences this morning, hopefully others will do the same and make a change for the betterment of Alberta hunters. These leaseholder are getting plain ignorant and greedy and I hear the same from many, many Alberta hunters.



https://afga.org/25227-2/
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We need to see the private member's bill brought back from the Senate a few years back, making it a federal offence to interfere with a legal hunt. I agree first offences should be lenient depending on behaviour but the people who do it just do not understand
 
Suther said:
I'm sorry, do you expect the Alberta Government to side with Hunters over Oil, Gas, Forestry, and Mining leaseholders? lol Good luck with that.
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The OP is referring to grazing leases , in this case GRL34101, which have nothing to do with Oil/gas/forestry/mining. Access to grazing leases for hunting purposes is mandated through legislation in Alberta.
 
As long as the UCP is in charge in Alberta the peasants will have little say in accessing leased crown land. Land owners have the ear of the UCP, now if you are well placed or know people that are well placed in the UCP you might have an angle.
 
passengerseven said:
The OP is referring to grazing leases , in this case GRL34101, which have nothing to do with Oil/gas/forestry/mining. Access to grazing leases for hunting purposes is mandated through legislation in Alberta.
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it is the same here in BC and I have had to remind a few ranchers of this fact up along the beaver valley road in BC's region 5.
I know of one set of roads into crown/grazing lease land where the rancher was denied a gate on the deactivated road in so he dug a huge water hole so most people can't get up in there. Odd thing is I have never once seen a cow grazing on that landscape in the fall as they have all been rounded up by then.
All across BC there are fenced grazing lands that are open access to the public. Around where i am most of the gates in place have a sign from the ministry that requests gates be left closed after use. Rarely does a guy interact with crown land grazing leaseholders in BC , but it does happen.
 
45ACPKING said:
All across BC there are fenced grazing lands that are open access to the public. Around where i am most of the gates in place have a sign from the ministry that requests gates be left closed after use. Rarely does a guy interact with crown land grazing leaseholders in BC , but it does happen.
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I run into the local cattle ranchers regularly while hunting or if I’m working locally, they’re all pretty cool about hunters. All but one are hunters themselves, the one may be as well as I know he shoots but we’ve never talked hunting.

We don’t ever have any issues, pretty common to pass them info about where groups of cows are late in the season when they’re out rounding up the herd.
 
Butcherbill said:
I run into the local cattle ranchers regularly while hunting or if I’m working locally, they’re all pretty cool about hunters. All but one are hunters themselves, the one may be as well as I know he shoots but we’ve never talked hunting.

We don’t ever have any issues, pretty common to pass them info about where groups of cows are late in the season when they’re out rounding up the herd.
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i agree and have only had the two "off" encounters... in the same general area east of Mcleese Lake.
This past season I did a final hunt, the last week of the season in december, in region 3-30 near the mound and encountered a small band of cattle in the thick stuff that didn't burn to ash in the elephant hill fire. I've never seen cattle left in there so late in the season and have been accustomed to them being rounded up by mid octoberish. I called a friend who knows a few of the more prominent ranchers in the clinton area that have leases up in there and passed on the location.
 
I had a very difficult time going through this several years ago. Lease holder claimed I could not hunt because there were cattle on the lease. Yet, it was ok for the lease holder himself and his hunting partners to hunt there. I had to insist a formal complaint and decision be made by the government lease manager. In the end I won. It was a horrible ordeal to go through as the lease holder becane very angry and aggressive about it.
This lease holder also owned around 90 quarters of land he could hunt on, yet this tiny grazing lease was the hill to die on.
What a spoiled little child.
 
woodchopper said:
Oh I know a place where the lease holder treats the leas like his personal hunting reserve.
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Not uncommon, I've also run into guys that I assume are outfitters claiming that they have paid for the hunting rights and to #### off. I've called the fish dicks about this in the past but they either don't care or don't have the resources to investigate this. Much Iike when I've reported first north Americans road hunting with rifles sticking out the windows.
 
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I have to wonder if those having problems aren't trying to access area's too close to urban centers where the leaseholder is literally inundated by ignorant urban dicks and finally just say, "pi$$ off?"

Spent most of my life in AB and spent a Lot of time hunting leased crown land over a good part of the province. Never a single issue. Never. Due diligence, and respect.

My favorite place to hunt deer the leaseholder called me for advice when considering to go with walk in, drag out, no driving, period. I told him, "hell ya!" Every year I'd call him for permission, and every year he or his wife would say, "you don't have to ask, you should know that by now". Every year I'd call. Hunted there first time maybe 16, last time :( about 60 (moved to sk).
It's like that, it's about respect. They manage the land and while they may not actually own it, they are the reason it's well managed and they treat it like it was their own. Recognize that and you won't have an issue is my advice.
 
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