Resonable pricing on Norwegian Krag

Torandir

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Hi All,
Have an opportunity to acquire a nice full wood original norwegian krag in 6.5x55. bore is decent, bolt is mismatched. I know these are relatively rare, however i'm having trouble tracking down any previous sale prices. a couple of carbines in the states but nothing up here. Any ideas what these are running now a days?
 
I bought a Hungarian 43M a few years back for around 1300. I know it’s not at all the same rifle but it’s a bit of a rare rifle as well. So you can kind of build from there mabey.
 
The only rare part about it is the full length stock and hardware. Mismatched bolt kills any serious collector value beyond a placeholder. Reasonable price between $600 and $800, most Norwegian Krags I've seen have mediocre to poor bores. All of that changes if it's something interesting like a Stomperud.
 
Hi Tor. I own a minty Model 1894 Norwegian Krag. I have never in 50 years seen another full stocked M94 long rifle. Several carbines but
the rifles seem to have been bubba butchered. The first few thousand IIRC were Austrian Steyr made as I remember seeing a body dated
1897. You are having problem with relative values as there are almost none to compare. Maybe in the U.S. but not in Canada. Possibly one of our U.S. cousins will offer an objective observation. JOHN
 
I've been looking for a full stock Norwegian Krag for a long time. I've seen lots of sporterized examples but none in full military trim. They were very popular rifles for Bubba to chop up so there are very few original examples left outside of Norway or museums. I have pretty much given up looking at this point. What I did decide to do was send a Model 1912 Carbine that had it's wood cut down but not it's barrel to a place to have it restocked. I sent a few hardware parts from Numrich to the place at the same time to have them fitted. When it is finished it won't be original by any means but it should make a nice representative example. This work is not going to be cheap but as there are no originals to be had it what I need to do. I also have a bubba'd 1907 Field Artillery Carbine that I am planning on giving the same treatment too if I can track down some more hardware.

If you can grab an original Norwegian Krag then go for it. The mismatched bolt sucks but it isn't a deal breaker. You might want to look online and see what Danish Krags are going for and use that as a guide. Also, check these sites to see exactly which model you're looking at and some of their features.

https://surplused.com/index.php/2014/05/29/a-quick-and-dirty-guide-military-krag-jorgensen-rifles/

https://www.kvf.no/index.php (You should be able to use Google to translate this site)
 
It wasn't Bubba per se' that altered those rifles.

When they were first released into North America, they came in through International Firearms out of Montreal.

They were never plentiful. I don't know how many went to Finland, likely courtesy of the Germans after occupying Norway and some were even issued to second line troops, in and out of Norway. Most were never seen again.

Many of them were Stomperud marked, before being reissued or given away.

Several companies, such as Globe Firearms and some British firms, picked up these rifles very cheap in the early fifties.

The vogue of the day was to convert as many milsurps as possible to what were considered to be "useable hunting rifles"

The Norwegian Krags weren't as popular in North America as ammo was difficult to come by.

Dominion was the only North American manufacturer of ammo and it was only offered in 160 grain, lead tipped, round nose, to my knowledge.

The commercial smith companies did what they could to recoup their costs on these rifles and often did a pretty good job on the conversion.

Around 1966 I went into the International warehouse with Alan Lever to see what was on hand, that he could turn over for a quick profit.

One of the things we saw were just over 3500 Norwegian Krags that were marked as parts rifles. Most had been converted to Drill Purpose rifles in Europe.

They had all had their chambers milled away at the top and the tips of the firing pins were ground off.

They had all been ridden hard and put away wet. There were both full length rifles and carbines on those pallets, complete with most parts/furniture.

We were told they were all going to be broken down for useable parts, which would include workable receivers that needed new firing pins, including trigger guards.

The stocks would be graded and offered for sale in the US as well.

There were another 1500, mostly carbines and a few rifles on other pallets that were in Very Good to almost Mint condition. Those pallets all had Globe Firearms posters on them.

I believe International had a deal with Sidney I Robinson and Sears for them to be converted into sporters for their catalogues.

I do know that a few pristine examples were held back and likely jtaylor has one of those. I don't believe more than a few hundred were held back.

At the time, US Springfield made Krags chambered for the readily available 30 Gov't or 30-40 Krag cartridge were flooding the surplus markets as well. So was the ammunition for them, which was also being offered commercially in a couple of different bullet weights in just about every LGS and hardware store.

John, does your rifle have the Stomperud stamps????

It may have come out of the crates of unissued rifles we saw, maybe ten to twelve at most.

Right beside them were crates of brand new in the wrap Greek 6.5 Mannlichers. I was given one of those rifles and promply converted it to a sporter. I liked it so much that I even went thorough the process of making up and mounting a Claw Mount base with special dovetail rings to accept one of the very nice Carl Zeiss, DDR scopes that were available from International at the time.

I still have that rifle in my safe, with a Hensoldt Wetzlar scope and rechambered to 6.5x57

In 20-20 hindsight, I should have just left it alone.

I did manage to pruchase a couple of very presentalble Greek Mannlichers later at good prices, but they moved on as well because of expensive and often unavailable ammo.
 
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Thanks for all the info guys, I'll attach a link to a few photos shortly. Barrel length appears to be 28.5" and it has no bayonet lug. I suspect it's been shortened slightly now and has had it's lug removed. Everything else checks out though. Obviously if it's been modified, price drops, stock is still full length though
 
I've a US one...man are they smooth to operate! Bubba got the sights askew when he shortened mine... I believe it may not get 'A taste' this season. Hey, got to take turns.
If the Norwegian one's are as smooth...get it. In a 6.5 x 55...be the bomb IMO.
 
I had a completely unmolested rifle with perfect bore. Bought it off the EE from a guy in Ontario. Apparently, it was re-barreled sometime around 1930. It shot reasonably well, and chambered a round so effortlessly that you had to check and make sure it was in the chamber! At any rate, I sold it off about 5 years ago for $900, haven't seen another since. Lot's of sported carbines still around with sewer pipe barrels though...
 
Completely unmolested rifle as in "Full Wood"? @ $900...

I'd be typing as fast as I could "I'll Take It"...

If the rifle Torandir is looking at was on an online auction today, no doubt it would draw bids North of $2G's

If a Mosin Nagant 91/30 sniper can draw bids over $2G's, I'm sure a Full Wood Krag would too.
 
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Last time I saw a full wood rifle for sale was about 7 years ago. Rifle was from a premium collection which I wish I had the funds at the time to take advantage of.

That example was all matching in VG+ condition for 1500$. Mind you at the same time you could buy a Finn M39 or Swiss K31 for 300$ so not exactly the best price point for comparison
 
Thanks for all the info and feedback guys, the rifle does appear to have full wood, only odd part is the front end of the barrel with no bayonet lug and the front sight mounted on to a ring at the muzzle. I will definitely be going for it as I love the smooth cycling of the krag action, plus I don't own a 6.5 yet from the ww1 era. Will post some more after I've acquired it.
 
As previously mentioned, picked up this lovely rifle today, and here are some updated photos. Bore is very good, and all hardware matches. bolt and interestingly the rear sight are mismatched, however all of those screws are staked in place. Other than the barrel being slightly shortened, i suspect this will be a pretty good shooter. lovely handling rifle with an incredibly smooth action!




 
One more oddity, looking close at the muzzle in better lighting, it appears that there are letters engraved on the crown. I would assume that this isn't bubba's work as I had initially suspected? was there a commercial company doing target modificatiosn or maybe rebarreling? i do know that type of thing existed on lee speed rifles of the era, i have one marked by LR Tippins that says as such
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It's either EWH or WEH depening on whether it starts on the left or the top. If anyone has ideas or where to even look with regrads to research, would love to know
 
A follow up on the bore of this guy, resized a batch of cases and started to load up some rounds with cast lead to start (I have 2 lee Cruise Missile molds, one modified to be around 140gr) and ran into some surprising issues. I was originally under the impression that most military 6.5 swede barrels had a pretty long throat/leade to accommodate the older long round nose bullet. My general rule of thumb is 2 thou over groove, or maybe a bit more. CM bullets spec at .267 after powder coating, and for the low velocities i intended to shoot should have been fine. Issue I ran into is it appears the leade on this bore is only about an eighth of an inch, and very tight at .265. Rounds will not chamber with anything larger. Then went to slug the bore, turns out it's .253 lands, and .263 groove, which is smaller than even standard jacketed bullets. Might be a tricky one to load for without seating the bullets deeper in the case than load data usually suggests.
 
The Swedish surplus long round nose bullets I have had all measured .263” dia. I suspect the original Norwegian rounds were also the same. It could be possible your bore was set up for the Spitzer cartridge the Norwegians adopted (if I remember correctly around 1912 but you would have to double check that).
 
Torandir: Your barrel isn't cut. It never had a bayonet lug. At some point in time, this type of barrels became availeable from Kongsberg. Usually when a civilian shooter / hunter needed a new barrel, the only type available were the standard military barrels, which were 15 mm thick at the muzzle. Later a slightly thicker, 17 mm barrel was offered. These didn't have a bayonet lug. I've also read an article in the norwegian shooters journal from the 1930's about a shooter who ordered his new barrel with a shorter freebore, so the spitzer bullets he used didn't have such a long "jump" before hitting the rifling. I bet your rear sight have a "D" stamped on the base. It means it was adjusted for the 139 grain boat tailed spitzer called "D-spiss". The bullet was adopted by the army in 1925, but were available on the civilian marked since before WW1.

See this add. The barrel is similar to yours. https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=216191899
 
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