Restricted Firearm coming in mail - do i need an ATT to pick it up and bring it home

[shawn]

so you get to the post office and see it marked, do you call on the spot?

I dont rely on willful ignorace as a legal defence so I call before and have it in hand already.

If you choose not to do it before hand, by the law you are required to either call right then and attempt to get one or leave it and come back for it when you have one. There is nothing saying you cant come back for a package later, they wont send it back right away especially if you tell them you require further paper work and are coming back.

Shawn

 

[luke s]

I dont rely on willful ignorace as a legal defence so I call before and have it in hand already.

stop being willfully ignorant and accept the reality that sometimes you dont know whats in package until you arrive at post office, the rest of your post is fine

 

[shawn]

And to cut off the other theroy you had, he are the rules for shipping via post for both indivduals and bussiness:

SHIPPING BY POST
16. An individual may ship a firearm by posting it only if

(a) the firearm is a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun;
(b) the destination is within Canada; and
(c) the firearm is posted using the most secure means of transmission by post that is offered by the Canada Post Corporation that includes the requirement to obtain a signature on delivery.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-5.html#h-14

SHIPPING BY POST
15. A business may ship a firearm by posting it only if

(a) the firearm is a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun;
(b) the destination is within Canada; and
(c) the firearm is posted using the most secure means of transmission by post that is offered by the Canada Post Corporation that includes the requirement to obtain a signature on delivery.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-210/page-6.html#h-13

Both are required by law to ship via the most secure means offered to include signature, which also always includes a tracking number.

If you choose to not get the tracking number, so you know when to apply for the ATT, that is 100% laziness on your part. And does not remove the requirement for you to transport firearms in accordance with the firearms act.

Shawn

 

[Winchester-1897]

Must be a slow day, hopefully it gets sunny and we can go outside soon. This topic I am sure is also going on in another thread as we speak.

 

[shawn]

stop being willfully ignorant and accept the reality that sometimes you dont know whats in package until you arrive at post office, the rest of your post is fine

See my post below this. Stop trying to rationalize that braking the law in this situation is 100% laziness on your part.

So post up what section of any act exempts you from SOR/98-209 just because you didnt know what it was until you got to the post office?

Shawn

 

[luke s]

If you choose to not get the tracking number, so you know when to apply for the ATT, that is 100% laziness on your part. And does not remove the requirement for you to transport firearms in accordance with the firearms act.
Shawn

now thats a dumb post. a business doesnt send a tracking number and its your job to read their minds when something is shipped, lmao. lalalala land

just change your name to "willfully ignorant" it is your favorite phrase, just like an anti, will not listen to anything lalala land

PS you are willfully ignorant to my post saying follow the law, get an ATT... or is that just selective eyesight

 

[Winchester-1897]

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?899998-CFO-wouldn-t-give-me-a-Temp-ATT

 

[BoogerChew]

Okay. The Mailman actually came to my door this morning and handed me a package and had me sign for it. Upon opening it I noticed it was the said restricted firearm. Seeing that the firearm was delivered directly to my door, do I still have to get an temporary ATT to bring it in the door? I know I am being a little to paranoid, but the ATT is supposed to be there so that the CFO knows where the restricted firearm is. If the seller got an ATT to bring it to the post office and I do not get one do receive the firearm, how does the CFO know that the forearm is in my possession?

Should I call the CFO and get a temporary ATT so they know that the firearm is now in my possession?

 

[tiriaq]

No. You signed for the package. Proof that it was delivered to you.
And just in case anyone asks, the postie didn't need an ATT because Canada Post is licenced to transport restricted firearms.

 

[shawn]

now thats a dumb post. a business doesnt send a tracking number and its your job to read their minds when something is shipped, lmao. lalalala land

just change your name to "willfully ignorant" it is your favorite phrase, just like an anti, will not listen to anything lalala land

PS you are willfully ignorant to my post saying follow the law, get an ATT... or is that just selective eyesight

Gee I wonder how that might work?

I paid for a firearm and the store never gave me a tracking number what ever should I do? Maybe I should call them or email them and ask for one.

I see now you have run out of ways to rationalize your position to yourself so now you have to resort to calling me an anti. Its not my fault your poor arguments are so easy to prove wrong.

Okay. The Mailman actually came to my door this morning and handed me a package and had me sign for it. Upon opening it I noticed it was the said restricted firearm. Seeing that the firearm was delivered directly to my door, do I still have to get an temporary ATT to bring it in the door? I know I am being a little to paranoid, but the ATT is supposed to be there so that the CFO knows where the restricted firearm is. If the seller got an ATT to bring it to the post office and I do not get one do receive the firearm, how does the CFO know that the forearm is in my possession?

Should I call the CFO and get a temporary ATT so they know that the firearm is now in my possession?

If it was delivered to your door you do not require an ATT. The only time you require an ATT to pick it up is if you have to go to the post office to get it or are picking it up from a store or other person.

Shawn

 

[RAMer]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. For example I recieved my tracking number for a pistol yesterday, delivery is tomorrow (won't be at home so it will end up at the Post Office). Called CFC today and within 10 minutes (5 min on hold) had my ATT reference #. Piece of cake. Yes I hate the "hoops" as much as anyone but it really was painless.

 

[drift1122]

I didn't say anything illegal, I just stated a possible situation. Besides its the internet, take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Keller]

This is yet another reason why the whole ATT garbage has to go.

So you get a STATT to pick it up from the post office; at what point does the restricted firearm become "transported" and need to be trigger locked in a lockable case?

An unlocked restricted firearm in a cardboard box does not meet the legal requirement for transport.

 

[skip1600]

.. What if you get the wife to pick it up....

I just called and got the statt and didn't worry about it... Is your life so busy that you don't have 20 minutes

 

[Martin248]

I live in a condo building with a concierge at the front desk. When my pistol arrived, it was delivered to the front desk, and they put the package in a locked store room, though one to which he and all the other building staff have access to. So was that unsafe storage? I picked it from the store room when I got home, and took it up to my unit. Did I need an STATT to take it up the elevator?

What's the legal status of the common element areas of a condo building? Can I always wander around the condo property with my firearm? Or is that considered to be off my property? And what was the legal status of the concierge holding onto my package? He had no idea it was a restricted firearm--but I doubt he has an RPAL and unlike Canada Post he is *not* a common carrier. That's how my Canada Post deliveries are ALWAYS handled. I don't think the postie would even listen if I tried to tell him to deliver differently....

 

[3strokes]

Canada Post is the carrier.
Unless the parcel was marked "Leave card for pick up from Post Office",
they (Canada Post) will try to deliver to you at home. If you're there: Great.
You'll open the door (kissing or hugging the Postie is optional) and sign for it.

If you're not at home they will leave you a notice to pick it up at the Post Office.

Now, officially, on paper, you're supposed to request a short-term ATT to carry
your restricted FROM the Post Office TO your home.

This last part is often ignored but what if you have a fender bender on your way
home and you're WITHOUT the ST-ATT?

Congrats by the way!

 

[shawn]

This is yet another reason why the whole ATT garbage has to go.

Agreed

So you get a STATT to pick it up from the post office; at what point does the restricted firearm become "transported" and need to be trigger locked in a lockable case?

As soon as you recieve it from the post office staff/your postal box.

.. What if you get the wife to pick it up....

If you get her to do it:

Conspiracy
465. (1) Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of conspiracy:

(a) every one who conspires with any one to commit murder or to cause another person to be murdered, whether in Canada or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a maximum term of imprisonment for life;

(b) every one who conspires with any one to prosecute a person for an alleged offence, knowing that he did not commit that offence, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable
(i) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, if the alleged offence is one for which, on conviction, that person would be liable to be sentenced to imprisonment for life or for a term not exceeding fourteen years, or
(ii) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, if the alleged offence is one for which, on conviction, that person would be liable to imprisonment for less than fourteen years;

(c) every one who conspires with any one to commit an indictable offence not provided for in paragraph (a) or (b) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment as that to which an accused who is guilty of that offence would, on conviction, be liable; and

(d) every one who conspires with any one to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-221.html#docCont

If you dont tell her to get it, and she happens to pick it it up there is no mens rea.

I live in a condo building with a concierge at the front desk. When my pistol arrived, it was delivered to the front desk, and they put the package in a locked store room, though one to which he and all the other building staff have access to. So was that unsafe storage? I picked it from the store room when I got home, and took it up to my unit. Did I need an STATT to take it up the elevator?

What's the legal status of the common element areas of a condo building? Can I always wander around the condo property with my firearm? Or is that considered to be off my property? And what was the legal status of the concierge holding onto my package? He had no idea it was a restricted firearm--but I doubt he has an RPAL and unlike Canada Post he is *not* a common carrier. That's how my Canada Post deliveries are ALWAYS handled. I don't think the postie would even listen if I tried to tell him to deliver differently....

I am not sure, but you can bet that a judge would not treat any public area as your "dwelling". I would say a safe bet for the condon situation would be if you can walk around there naked its your dwelling, if you can't go naked there, not your dwelling. So any where you can be naked no ATT, not naked need ATT.

As for the door man he has not committed an offese as he would have no mens rea.

Shawn

 

[Keller]

So you get a STATT to pick it up from the post office; at what point does the restricted firearm become "transported" and need to be trigger locked in a lockable case?

As soon as you recieve it from the post office staff/your postal box.

Exactly my point.

So what would be the appropriate place to remove the firearm from the box, apply a trigger lock, and place it in a case? At the postal counter? On the way to the car? In your car?

 

[StoneHorse]

Exactly my point.

So what would be the appropriate place to remove the firearm from the box, apply a trigger lock, and place it in a case? At the postal counter? On the way to the car? In your car?

That is the catch-22 that we all face. Even with a ST-ATT there is no way to be 100% legal. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. As already stated, these silly and redundant little pieces of paper need to go along with the CFO's.

 

[Darky]

Yep its sad but you do!