restricted: process of buying new vs buying used?

[tonysa13]

If I buy a restricted firearm (a pistol), what is the overall process? (I have my restricted PAL)... Does the process differ if I buy used vs new? Can the gun be shipped right to my door, or does it have to be shipped to a specific secure location? (ie: police station, post office, etc?) What if I pick it up? Do I need to get different ATT's for getting it home the first time, vs going to the gun club?

Thanks!

 

[Chuckbuster]

New or used doesn't matter; the process is the same. You pay, provide your PAL #, then wait for Miramichi to accord their blessing to your purchase. Once they okay it, you then have to wait for your provincial CFO to bless the arrangement...this is where many get frustrated with a long wait. Once the CFO deigns to grant approval, you will be issued an ATT to pick up the gun. Or, you can have it delivered to your door.

 

[Noltz]

Chuck is correct. I'll add to your specific questions;

New gun can be shipped directly to your door. This is actually the easier method as you don't need an ATT to move it from the delivery address to your home. If you decide to, or if you live in an apartment building and must pick up, then you will need a short-term ATT (often referred to as a STATT around here) to transport it home. For this ATT you need to call the CFC office (same number you'd call to get it registered)

Once you own it bring the registration card to your gun club and have them call for your LTATT. The staff at gun clubs have far more regular contact with the CFO's office than you or I and know who to talk to to get it moving.

 

[Stevebot-7]

Once you own it bring the registration card to your gun club and have them call for your LTATT. The staff at gun clubs have far more regular contact with the CFO's office than you or I and know who to talk to to get it moving.

This is specific to Ontario. In the rest of Canada a person is allowed to get their own LTATT.


Tonysa13, the rules vary from province to province, posting your location in your profile can help get you more information that's relevant you you.


Buying new and buying used are pretty much the same, the seller calls the CFO and initiates the transfer to the buyer and is given a reference number. The buyer may or may not need to call the CFO to provide information to complete the transfer, this is where you'd need the transfer reference number.

Then, an indeterminate amount of time later the transfer will be completed, and the seller will need to make arrangements to get the gun to the buyer. You could arrange to have a courier pick it up and do door to door service, in which case no special ATT is needed since it is the courier transporting the firearm. If the buyer needs to pick it up from a depot or post office they will need an ATT from that location to their house. If the seller needs to bring the gun to the post office or courier depot they will need an ATT from their house to that location.

In all cases I've heard of, the CFO will make such special ATTs last as short as possible, so if you get the ATT for Friday night, but work late and can't make it to the post office you will need to wait until Monday to call in again and request a new STATT.

In all cases, read the fine print on your ATT. What someone else's says has no bearing on what yours says or permits you to do. "Normal" ATTs vary from province to province, and in some cases from person to person. Doublecheck what yours says, if you violate it and get caught you will face criminal charges, even if the violation only occured because of a clerical error on the part of the CFO.

 

[tonysa13]

Thanks all,

I'm in Ottawa, Ontario... I just updated my profile. Good to know that courier can ship to my door with no extra ATT, and good to know that I can get the gun club to talk to the CFO.

Thanks again,
Tony

 

[Chuckbuster]

"..In all cases, read the fine print on your ATT. What someone else's says has no bearing on what yours says or permits you to do. "Normal" ATTs vary from province to province, and in some cases from person to person. Doublecheck what yours says, if you violate it and get caught you will face criminal charges, even if the violation only occured because of a clerical error on the part of the CFO...."

It would be an amusing concept if it couldn't ruin your life..."We flocked up, so we are going to arrest you".

 

[Stevebot-7]

It would be an amusing concept if it couldn't ruin your life..."We flocked up, so we are going to arrest you".

I moved back in June, and needed to change my address and get an ATT to the new residence, and change my LTATT. The CFO gave me an ATT to the new residence and emailed me a new LTATT at the same time. I was on my phone, which only let me see the first page, but I saw that it had a new date and all that stuff so I didn't think anything was wrong. A few days later I was getting ready to go to the range with a guy from work, and the system being what it is, I printed my new LTATT to have a hard copy with me. It had my old address on it, someone just changed the dates it was valid.

I did everything in my power to comply with the law, but had I not read everything on it, and just grabbed my guns and left, it would have been a criminal violation. Under the current laws, if I had gone to the range and back, it is legally viewed just the same as some unlicensed gangbanger with an unregistered prohibited handgun downtown, in fact, I'd face more penalties simply because I'm trying to work within the system rather than just buy my guns out of some guy's truck.

 

[trev82]

I live in Manitoba , if I buy 2 brand new handguns after I apply for the ATT how long is the wait to get my guns ? a week 2 weeks ?

 

[Stevebot-7]

I live in Manitoba , if I buy 2 brand new handguns after I apply for the ATT how long is the wait to get my guns ? a week 2 weeks ?

To determine how long the transfer will take perform this simple technique: Light a candle and turn off all the other lights, then look at your reflection in a mirror and say "CFO" three times and blow out the candle. The completion date of the transfer will be written on the mirror when you get the lights back on.

Who knows man, anywhere from an hour to a year.

 

[my_2_cents]

Thanks all,

I'm in Ottawa, Ontario... I just updated my profile. Good to know that courier can ship to my door with no extra ATT, and good to know that I can get the gun club to talk to the CFO.

Thanks again,
Tony

Of course, the courier has to be one that is approved to transport firearms. Currently I know Canada post is, but they won't pick up at your door. I'm not sure if any of the ones that will pick up at your door are certified for firearms.

Canada post can sometimes be helpful on the buyers end though if you have a delivery person who actually comes to your door and rings the bell and presents you the package. I don't know of many places in Canada where they still do that though. I always end up with a parcel card. The CFO in Nova Scotia will only allow a 1 hour window to pick up a restricted from the post office, so I phone from outside the post office, get the ATT number and run inside, get the parcel and run home.

If you are someone who gets a lot of parcels regularly, then you'll struggle to know which parcel card is your restricted gun....good luck explaining that to the CFO office, they're sometimes understanding, sometimes not. They won't like issuing multiple ATT's to pick up the same firearm at the post office.

Many on here will suggest you just pick up the gun without an ATT....make that call on your own, but remember that the guy who gave you the advice won't be the one spending 3 years in jail if you get caught.

One thing is that I've heard the transfer times are faster from a business than from an individual, so if you buy from a store, you might get it faster than buying from an individual.

 

[MossbergBlaster]

I live in Manitoba , if I buy 2 brand new handguns after I apply for the ATT how long is the wait to get my guns ? a week 2 weeks ?

Have you bought a range membership yet? If not, do so. When you get your PAL (assuming Restricted PAL? Have your references been called for an interview? Have you had your interview? If not, call the Miriachi number and do that. They will then give you a reference number and have your references call in, quote the number and do their interviews...it's faster if they call than wait for their name to come up in the que...be called, get voice mail, name goes to bottom of que again.) scan your range membership and email it to the Manitoba CFO (CFO_MANITOBA_NUNAVUT.CFC_NCR.CFC_HQ@rcmp-grc.gc.ca). Go buy your guns and start the transfer process. As long as they have your range info on file, they will approve it quickly. They will mail you all the paperwork, but you can also request an email copy.

 

[kennymo]

I live in Manitoba , if I buy 2 brand new handguns after I apply for the ATT how long is the wait to get my guns ? a week 2 weeks ?

The Manitoba CFO office is pretty efficient. The transfer of the firearm into your name will take the longest, about three to five days is my finding. Once the guns are in your name and if you have your gun club membership, getting the STATT and LTATT takes only hours. If you call first thing in the morning, you can often have both ATT's by end of business day. If you call in the afternoon its usually ready by next morning.

 

[trev82]

Have you bought a range membership yet? If not, do so. When you get your PAL (assuming Restricted PAL? Have your references been called for an interview? Have you had your interview? If not, call the Miriachi number and do that. They will then give you a reference number and have your references call in, quote the number and do their interviews...it's faster if they call than wait for their name to come up in the que...be called, get voice mail, name goes to bottom of que again.) scan your range membership and email it to the Manitoba CFO (CFO_MANITOBA_NUNAVUT.CFC_NCR.CFC_HQ@rcmp-grc.gc.ca). Go buy your guns and start the transfer process. As long as they have your range info on file, they will approve it quickly. They will mail you all the paperwork, but you can also request an email copy.

Ya I been approver for my full PAL restricted licence on wednsday afternoon , I don't have the licence yet I am gussing very soon ?

 

[trev82]

The Manitoba CFO office is pretty efficient. The transfer of the firearm into your name will take the longest, about three to five days is my finding. Once the guns are in your name and if you have your gun club membership, getting the STATT and LTATT takes only hours. If you call first thing in the morning, you can often have both ATT's by end of business day. If you call in the afternoon its usually ready by next morning.

Where would I pick up the pappers ?

 

[Stevebot-7]

Where would I pick up the pappers ?

If I had to guess, your Pappers is probaby at the retirement home.
There are some forms you can submit, but it is much more effective to call them at
1 (800) 731-4000 that is the number for the Canadian Firearms Center, and from there you'll get a menu to choose the nature of your call, and you'll be routed to the relevant office.

Keep in mind that they are a government office, 9 to 11 and 1 to 5 are generally effective business hours. I have gotten someone to answer the phone at 12:15 my time, but that was the exception.

It's very important to have your info available. It really speeds things up to have everything written down in front of you.

Also, for future calls, you don't have to listen to the entire menu of options when you call, if you know where you're going you can just press the buttons to get there. I always just hit 1 as soon as it connects, because I want the call in English.

 

[kennymo]

Where would I pick up the pappers ?

Yep, call it in it's way faster. You can google the address of their office if you'd prefer to do it in person but a phone call will save you a trip to lovely downtown Winnipeg (at least I think it's downtown, not sure, I always dealt with phone or e mail. Phone is fastest.).

 

[sunray]

"...The staff at gun clubs..." There are very, very few gun clubs with staff. Most have an executive with the Secretary doing the ATT paperwork.
Like Chuckbuster says, read everything. Civil servants do not make mistakes and anything that goes wrong wil be your fault.

 

[MossbergBlaster]

Where would I pick up the pappers ?

You can pick up at the office on Ellice and Century, or they'll mail them, either email or snail mail.

 

[MossbergBlaster]

"...The staff at gun clubs..." There are very, very few gun clubs with staff. Most have an executive with the Secretary doing the ATT paperwork.
Like Chuckbuster says, read everything. Civil servants do not make mistakes and anything that goes wrong wil be your fault.

In MB the clubs have nothing to do with ATTs. As long as you send the CFO a scan of your range membership, they will automatically issue a LT/ATT each and everytime you buy a new fire arm and they will email you a short term ATT (to, for example, bring gun home from store/post office) whenever you ask for one...it'll often hit your email box while you're still on the phone.

 

[IrishCrow]

So does calling the provincial CFO office help with approval times? And do you call the local number or the 800-731-4000 and ask there? Waiting on approval for two one from a business and one from private deal.