Restricted/Prohibited Barrel Length

2katz

2katz

Regular
Uber Super GunNutz
Rating - 100%
129   0   0
Location
G.T.A
Does any one have the section of regulations to what makes a restricted vs a prohibited pistol barrel and might as well throw in the revolver barrel regulation just for fun.

And is it the barrel length the matters or the actual rifling length in the barrel. I know I can Google and get the information but I just want to strike up a conversation.

Your constructive input would be greatly appreciated.

I'm just bored flame suit on.
 
I'm not going to download and then post the actual regulations, but:
Rifling is irrelevant. Same rules if smoothbore.
105mm.
Revolver barrel length is the actual measurement end to end of the barrel. For others, it is breech face to muzzle face.
 
Wasn't there something about continuous rifling to prevent people from silver soldering barrel extensions to bring them into a less restricted class?

I had at one time a M1 carbine that had a piece of barrel soldered on to bring it into non restricted class. Then they did away with that and I had to install a longer newly manufactured barrel.
 
2katz said:
Wasn't there something about continuous rifling to prevent people from silver soldering barrel extensions to bring them into a less restricted class?

I had at one time a M1 carbine that had a piece of barrel soldered on to bring it into non restricted class. Then they did away with that and I had to install a longer newly manufactured barrel.
Click to expand...

No. Rifling is irrelevant. Bore must be continuous, end to end. A permanently attached extension doesn't count for barrel length.
 
Do the revolver rules apply to a reproduction pepperbox? Even if the barrels are over 105mm long, would the barrel "cluster" count as a cylinder, giving a barrel length of zero?
 
A pepperbox has a barrel cluster. But how would the CFP measure length? The overall length of the cluster? Bore length?
 
From the FA:

restricted firearm means

(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,

(b) a firearm that

(i) is not a prohibited firearm,

(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and

(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or

(d) a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm; (arme à feu à autorisation restreinte)

restricted weapon means any weapon, other than a firearm, that is prescribed to be a restricted weapon; (arme à autorisation restreinte)

superior court means

(a) in Ontario, the Superior Court of Justice, sitting in the region, district or county or group of counties where the relevant adjudication was made,

(b) in Quebec, the Superior Court,

(c) in New Brunswick, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, the Court of Queen’s Bench,

(d) in Nova Scotia, British Columbia, Prince Edward Island and a territory, the Supreme Court, and

(e) in Newfoundland and Labrador, the Trial Division of the Supreme Court; (cour supérieure)

transfer means sell, provide, barter, give, lend, rent, send, transport, ship, distribute or deliver. (cession)

Marginal note:Barrel length

(2) For the purposes of this Part, the length of a barrel of a firearm is

(a) in the case of a revolver, the distance from the muzzle of the barrel to the breach end immediately in front of the cylinder, and

(b) in any other case, the distance from the muzzle of the barrel to and including the chamber,

but does not include the length of any component, part or accessory including any component, part or accessory designed or intended to suppress the muzzle flash or reduce recoil.

prohibited firearm means

(a) a handgun that

(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or

(ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,

but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,

(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,

(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or

(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm; (arme à feu prohibée)
Click to expand...
 
google is not your friend. Ties with the Chicom government & military makes it entirely suspect. Plus their anti-gun algorithms are not Conservative friendly. Use another search machine.
STUPID LIBERAL & ndp-supported bill c21 ends all handgun importations, transfers, private sales & heirloom pass downs.
So all handguns are now “prohibited class” firearms forever. You own what you own until death. Barrel lengths & calibers are irrelevant.
 
hatman1793 said:
google is not your friend. Ties with the Chicom government & military makes it entirely suspect. Plus their anti-gun algorithms are not Conservative friendly. Use another search machine.
STUPID LIBERAL & ndp-supported bill c21 ends all handgun importations, transfers, private sales & heirloom pass downs.
So all handguns are now “prohibited class” firearms forever. You own what you own until death. Barrel lengths & calibers are irrelevant.
Click to expand...

Lol almost none of this is true. C21 hasn't passed yet. And even if it had, barrel lengths and calibers would definitely still be relevant.
 
Not really. You can’t buy them, sell them, or even hand them down once this is passed. So that will make 12/6 irrelevant.
 
Blastattack said:
No. it's 105mm.
Click to expand...

+1 Many years ago before the Glock 19 was available with a Canadian legal barrel length, I had a custom barrel made for me in the US, then installed in a customized Glock 19 and imported for me.

The legal length was 105mm, I had the barrel manufacture make it 106mm just to be on the safe side. It for sure is not 107mm or my pistol would not have been importable as a restricted, it would have been prohib

Also 107mm converted to inces is 4.21" not 4.17"
 
The rifling does matter in a pistol
It is legal to add a extension on the end of a short, 12-6, But you have to have continues rifling in it, so you are to install the extention and them drill out and install full length liner, which is O.K. on light loads 38 specials, but on 357Mag, the forcing cone could/ would go to hell as on the S-W K frames the threaded end got too thin.
Plus looks stupid, same with long barrels sticking out of PPK's, and 950B's.
A 105mm barrel is 12-6 , it has to be more than 105mm to be restricted.
I have changed a couple that where just under or at 106mm to restricted.
 
Last edited:
Rifling is legally irrelevant. The bore must be one piece, continuous, end to end. Although unless a shot pistol was desired, a liner would usually be rifled.
Liner diameter/barrel diameter are certainly factors if installation of a liner is being considered.

It may be worth carefully measuring barrel length using the defined methods. Occasionally factories have installed nominal 4" barrels that are actually over 105mm in length. Or because barrel length for some pistols is defined as breech face to muzzle face, that measurement may be greater than that of the chunk of steel which is the barrel.
 
[sigh] There are two parts to this.

1. As others have written, the barrel must be continuous, one piece and measure 105mm+. In a revolver this is simply the barrel. In others it's measured muzzle with any muzzle devices removed to the breech face. This determines the classification of _the pistol_.
2. VERY IMPORTANT. The barrel if removed from the gun must also measure 105mm+. It is possible to have it measure 105mm+ when installed in the gun when measuring to the breech face but actually be shorter when separate and measured end to end. RCMP lab considers _the barrel_ itself a prohibited device in this case. So you can potentially have a restricted handgun with a prohibited barrel. This becomes an important consideration when rebarrelling prohibited handguns to move them to the restricted class.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom