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You posting it happening once does not make it the staus qou. Can you prove that what you said was correct?
Shawn
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Restricted storage question?
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You posting it happening once does not make it the staus qou. Can you prove that what you said was correct?
Shawn
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Thank you Shawn your answer makes me think that there are a lot of guys here who are running around screaming "The sky is falling The sky is falling"..
I think the cops have more important things to do than check the average Joe to see if he has a trigger lock on his Ruger single six which he keeps in a locked Stack On cabinet.
Cameron SS
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Hardly. Yes the law is filled with things that malicious cops, crowns, and crooked politicians can mess with us. Historically, in the real world, cops and crowns have rarely done this and judges are typically our best friends in the justice system.
Lastly, you seem to have missed the point that to the people who wrote those parts of the crowd, all civilian gun owners are precisely the criminals they are focused on, and owning guns is the criminal activity they meant to discourage.
You play right into their hand by being afraid of legal consequences that never seem to actually materialize.
This! In spades. Christ some of you folks must live in a different reality than I do. The RCMP are under manned in BC and locally, well chasing down safe storage issues and acting on them in the absence of dealing with a known criminal is about as likely as winning the Lottery twice in one week. I doubt the situation is much different anywhere else in Canada. The Crown Attorney works under a budget and he/she is not about to spend limited dollars arguing about what may or may not be safe storage. The gun cabinet issue appears to have been defined on 2011 with the Ontario decision. Move on.
Take Care
Bob
ps I have a Gun Safe and a CT Cabinet. The gun safe is fireproof to a point so our passports and birth certs etc cosy up to a 75B New Edition. Life s good.
Yes that is correct I have a 100$ stack on and have my pistols stored in there with no trigger locks
And for people who say need a 3000$ safe WHY?
If some breaks in and puts a gun to your head and tells you to open the safe, you will 100% comply
The only quality a 3000$ safe has is fire protection and criminals will need more time to break into it, as compared to 100$ stack on garbage, I'll take my chances and buy more guns instead of thousands of dollars on a expensive safe
If the police or Crown want leverage on an individual they will use whatever is at their disposal...
If they are out to get a conviction they could charge you with a bunch of offences with the hope in a plea deal you will decide to plead guilty to one.
Sorry but one has little choice but be paranoid IF you own guns because of the bad light the Media and LIEberal Politicians have painted us in.
Just look at one of " Canada's Finest" Mr.Bill Blair is going to drop on us.....
He was police chief in Toronto ....
He knows gang bangers are problem, and he knows 90% of crime guns are coming in illegally from USA......but as a LIEberal Politician he will still use the "guise of public safety" as a means to an end. The Total disarming of the citizen population.....that is their ultimate goal.
TommyGunWop
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locked in a secure gun cabinet no trigger lock required
Well, you sure leave a gate open for police interpretation. A big safe with 1.25 inch thick rods and 4 inch thick doors eliminate 100% of the interpretation but that is me.
I'de rather be paying a couple of K up front than paying 10K later on.
Cameron SS
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Correct. Bottom line is if you can't stomach the thought of being vulnerable to malicious state actors using the powers of the code and firearms act to harass us, or be reassured how rare it is, than licensed gun ownership isn't for you.
So what some of you are saying is , instead of fighting an unjust charge you’d rather give in and let government officials force their opinion on you? Because of how much money it might cost you?
Crown decides what charges to carry forward with, not the police.
If they throw an offer out and you plea deal, then it’s your own fault,what you get.
You need to understand how it works.
The crown will look at the case and decide if it’s winnable, if he’s sure of a conviction, he’ll push forward.
If it’s only a maybe, he’ll plea bargain.
If he thinks it’s in winnable he shouldn’t move forward.
Plea bargaining guarantees a conviction, it don’t really matter on what charges as a conviction is what counts.
If you hold out and refuse a plea bargain, I don’t think any crown in his right mind would push forward, with the amount of evidence against him.
In the end , I’d rather take my chances in court, than give up the small amount of rights I have left.
I’ve posted two references from the dictionary, that call a safe a metal container, there’s also been a case posted that sets precedent.
There are a couple of guys on here ,who , if not lawyers , definitely has some experience with legal proceedings.
So as for the OP question, is a metal cabinet considered a safe?
I think the answer is clearly yes. But that’s just my opinion.
But you have to wade through all the BS first and come to your own conclusion.
Crown decides what charges to carry forward with, not the police.
If they throw an offer out and you plea deal, then it’s your own fault,what you get.
You need to understand how it works.
The crown will look at the case and decide if it’s winnable, if he’s sure of a conviction, he’ll push forward.
If it’s only a maybe, he’ll plea bargain.
If he thinks it’s in winnable he shouldn’t move forward.
Plea bargaining guarantees a conviction, it don’t really matter on what charges as a conviction is what counts.
If you hold out and refuse a plea bargain, I don’t think any crown in his right mind would push forward, with the amount of evidence against him.
In the end , I’d rather take my chances in court, than give up the small amount of rights I have left.
I’ve posted two references from the dictionary, that call a safe a metal container, there’s also been a case posted that sets precedent.
There are a couple of guys on here ,who , if not lawyers , definitely has some experience with legal proceedings.
So as for the OP question, is a metal cabinet considered a safe?
I think the answer is clearly yes. But that’s just my opinion.
But you have to wade through all the BS first and come to your own conclusion.
How does you being paranoid and going above and beyond the law, and then claiming that that is the law prevent any of that?
Shawn
That's exactly how I feel, but with all this misinformation I've seen to believed I just don't know anymore
Personally, I still have 5K rounds of .45 acp sitting by my front door from tendas black Friday sale
Some Will say that "my house" ( having locks on my doors) doesn't constitute as a "safe recepiticle" others will say it has to be locked up in a box/safe/container and that my private residence does not count as safe storage
I guess every individual case is different and how one interprets the laws
Straight up, I have ammo not locked up And i have ammo widely accessible in every room of house
Some say that's unsafe, some say I'm breaking the law
What Do you guys/do/think?
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The law for ammo is not rocket surgery it is simple:
https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2013-211/page-35.html#docCont
That is literally it
Shawn
You realize you just eliminated the next 200 responses regarding safe storage of ammo and all the various ways you can get charged by the famed obnoxious police who are have the responsibility of charging folks with unsafe storage of ammunition. Like what does 281(1) really mean, :>)
Take Care
Bob
CV, is the firearms act really that difficult to navigate? Or is it just us, not knowing where to look for the correct info?
I’ve read the law, I’ve looked up the definition of a safe in a couple of dictionaries and I’ve read the previous case law. That’s my defence, how is it possible for a crown to prove that it’s not a safe?
Wouldn’t any reasonable Judge/ jury come to the same conclusion as the previous mentioned case?
I’ve come to the conclusion that a metal cabinet/ safe is considered as a safe.
Maybe I’m missing something?
