Restricted Transfers

CPitre

CPitre

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Paranoia around here is making for some odd ideas as to the best way to do transfers. The buyer doesn't want to get ripped off, the seller doesn't want his gun registered to someone who doesn't pay. How about this?

1 Buyer says "I'll take it" and the deal is signed in blood.

2 Seller gives buyer his info (PAL#, Name, and Phone Number) and the Reg Cert# for the FA in question.

3 Buyer calls CFC, gives info to start transfer, if the info checks out he knows the seller is legit, but seller maintains control over the registration because it's not done until the seller calls and confirms.

4 Buyer pays seller knowing the gun exists, and has someone to point the finger at if the seller screws him.

5 The seller, now paid, calls and completes the transfer and gives the FA to the buyer. If the buyer does not pay, the seller calls with the reference number and says DENIED and the transfer is dead in it's tracks, no problem.

Why is it that people seem scared to do business in a way that is equally safe for both parties?
 
i would say that is wrong
1 the deal is made
2 the buyer pays
3 the seller initiates transfer
4 the buyer confirms transfer
5 when the transfer is complete the seller ships

there is no need for the buyer to have any of the sellers info other than name and address
if the existence of the gun is in question have a pic taken with a note
 
CPitre said:
Paranoia around here is making for some odd ideas as to the best way to do transfers. The buyer doesn't want to get ripped off, the seller doesn't want his gun registered to someone who doesn't pay. How about this?

1 Buyer says "I'll take it" and the deal is signed in blood.

2 Seller gives buyer his info (PAL#, Name, and Phone Number) and the Reg Cert# for the FA in question.

3 Buyer calls CFC, gives info to start transfer, if the info checks out he knows the seller is legit, but seller maintains control over the registration because it's not done until the seller calls and confirms.

4 Buyer pays seller knowing the gun exists, and has someone to point the finger at if the seller screws him.

5 The seller, now paid, calls and completes the transfer and gives the FA to the buyer. If the buyer does not pay, the seller calls with the reference number and says DENIED and the transfer is dead in it's tracks, no problem.

Why is it that people seem scared to do business in a way that is equally safe for both parties?
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Well i have sold and purchased a few guns and every one was like:
Buyer says i do and pay for it.
Seller calls and starts the transfer, give the buyer the numbers to call in (not the other way for sure)
Gets approved seller gets a Statt and sends the gun out, gives a tracking number to the buyer....
Canada Post losses the parcel......sorry i had to go that way...
Then all goes perfect and they change feedbacks.
The End
 
southerner said:
i would say that is wrong
1 the deal is made
2 the buyer pays
3 the seller initiates transfer
4 the buyer confirms transfer
5 when the transfer is complete the seller ships

there is no need for the buyer to have any of the sellers info other than name and address
if the existence of the gun is in question have a pic taken with a note
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The info in my method isn't sensitive. Pal# is useless without all other info, name is harmless enough, phone number.. so what? Don't have to give address. Reg cert# is not sensitive either. So you're not giving up anything, but you are giving the buyer peace of mind. You guys have just been doing things the same way for too long to open your mind to a better option. Doing it the other way, the buyer sweats bullets and has to trust the "good nature" of the seller until he gets the transfer #.
 
southerner said:
if you are that worried buy at a store

your way is not better
it gives a supposed buyer all of the info
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Which is worthless, they can't do anything with it. Don't get me wrong, if you were the seller with a score of 138 I wouldn't be concerned, but dealing with someone new it gives some assurance, especially when dealing with a big ticket item. Scams can be avoided this way. The buyer can't do anything with the info given because it's not complete enough. At the same time, as a buyer you would be giving this info PLUS your money to a stranger. How is that better?
 
you might be surprised at how many say i will take it and then not follow through
so as a seller there is no way i am giving my info to someone just because they say i will take it

as a buyer if the seller has little or no feedback get a pic with a specific note or a phone call
pay with money order then if it dissapears it is theft and mail fraud
 
Fair enough, and CGN doesn't seem to have a big problem with fraud anyhow, the folks here are pretty good and those that aren't would be dealt with quickly. But keep my method in mind if you're in an uncertain situation as it takes some risk off of the guy who stands to lose the most.
 
CPitre said:
Which is worthless, they can't do anything with it. Don't get me wrong, if you were the seller with a score of 138 I wouldn't be concerned, but dealing with someone new it gives some assurance, especially when dealing with a big ticket item. Scams can be avoided this way. The buyer can't do anything with the info given because it's not complete enough. At the same time, as a buyer you would be giving this info PLUS your money to a stranger. How is that better?
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Right, so why give the information in the first place? As the seller, I call the shots. If you don't like it then go shop elsewhere. With low or no trader rating folks the transaction is simple. Half money up front, start the transfer, remaining money after buyer has completed their half of the transfer. You take your chances with any personal deal, be it online or face to face. Use some common sense and you'll be fine. If paranoia is your game, then don't buy anything and get off the internet, the government is tracking your movements and will be arriving shortly..

TDC
 
TDC said:
Right, so why give the information in the first place? As the seller, I call the shots. If you don't like it then go shop elsewhere. With low or no trader rating folks the transaction is simple. Half money up front, start the transfer, remaining money after buyer has completed their half of the transfer. You take your chances with any personal deal, be it online or face to face. Use some common sense and you'll be fine. If paranoia is your game, then don't buy anything and get off the internet, the government is tracking your movements and will be arriving shortly..

TDC
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Unbelievable. How am I more paranoid by asking for insurance when my money is on the line as compared to you who won't offer an olive branch of free information to put a buyer at ease? Do you see how your common sense argument lacks common sense. Yes of course I will be smart and spot the obvious tell-tale signs of a bad deal waiting to happen, but this is just one step further.

I'm not saying you have to do it this way, do whatever the **** you want. I'm arguing that it DOES make sense to do it this way. Everyone seems to be in the seller mindset, but put yourself in the shoes of a buyer about to send $3000 to a stranger for an alleged AR. Man, and we ##### that the antis aren't open minded?
 
CPitre said:
Unbelievable. How am I more paranoid by asking for insurance when my money is on the line as compared to you who won't offer an olive branch of free information to put a buyer at ease? Do you see how your common sense argument lacks common sense. Yes of course I will be smart and spot the obvious tell-tale signs of a bad deal waiting to happen, but this is just one step further.

I'm not saying you have to do it this way, do whatever the **** you want. I'm arguing that it DOES make sense to do it this way. Everyone seems to be in the seller mindset, but put yourself in the shoes of a buyer about to send $3000 to a stranger for an alleged AR. Man, and we ##### that the antis aren't open minded?
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I've bought a few guns off the forum, and the transaction goes down as I described. As a general rule, the guy with the higher trader rating and/or the seller calls the shots. Its a risk, like everything else you do in life. Take it or leave it. Don't like the terms, shop elsewhere. Asking for USELESS information does not reduce the odds of being scammed. Its wastes both parties time and puts the seller on edge as to why the buyer wants such info.

TDC
 
information is never free
as i said have them take a pic with a note or another item that would prove it exists

if it was done your way there would be a lot of people out there with info they have no business having
and got it having no honest intention of buying

as a buyer i have no need/use/business having a sellers pal info or registration #
all i need is the name and address for the money order then the reference number for the cfc period
 
Exactly! I just questioned southern on what my guarantees are as he said his cell number was private and for emergencies only ,so I'm expected to send $950 to a total stranger with no info of contact if the deal went south? Only to have him reply for me to look at his feedback and then be told not to contact him again and he would not sell to me! I'd rather buy from any store than send a red cent to anyone like this!!!
 
What can ya do? The seller IS in control, which is how fraud happens, but Southerner has a good rep here and I don't think he'd screw anyone. People skills are lost on some though.
 
TOtally agree with CPitre, i always check the buyers info with
Cfo to make sure everything is legit.
I only buy high end stuff and too many fake sellers tried to
Sell me stuff, not specialy on this site but on many others.
Hell , i once had a seller send me one of my friends personal info
He was pretending to be someone else. Anyway the more info,
The better and its always best to triple check everything and all angles.
Of course i'm talking about sellers with no feedbacks.
There are more and more.
 
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