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In light of the 375 thread, I'm interested to see what others have in .40 cal and up.

Just got this one recently, a CZ 550 Safari in 458 Lott. Barrel cut to 21" and Cerakoted. Added Warne QD rings and a Leupold VX2 2-7. Lots of fun. Recoil, while admittedly stout, isn't actually as unpleasant as some lighter medium bore rifles I own or have shot.

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Not quite retina detaching, but this '58 BSA Featherweight 30'06 is pretty, but unpleasant. It's light. I read they were 6.25 pounds open sights. 3 or 4 over a bench and it's not enjoyable anymore. But it sure is pretty.
 
My '03 Springfield in 416 Taylor built by my Brother, if it doesn't get your attention... nothing will.
Or, a Ruger #1 in 450 / 348 Ackley Imp., loads are right on the heels of a 458 mag.
 
bearkilr said:
In light of the 375 thread, I'm interested to see what others have in .40 cal and up.

Just got this one recently, a CZ 550 Safari in 458 Lott. Barrel cut to 21" and Cerakoted. Added Warne QD rings and a Leupold VX2 2-7. Lots of fun. Recoil, while admittedly stout, isn't actually as unpleasant as some lighter medium bore rifles I own or have shot.

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Thats a Nice Rifle ! Any idea of or can you weight it ? Thxs RJ
 
I used to own this Ruger No. 1 in .450 Nitro Express 3 1/4"

500 grain bullet at 2450 fps (the No. 1 action is a whole lot stronger than a 100 year old double rifle. Case capacity is significantly more than a .458 lott.)

Ruger put the "C" contour barrel on these for some reason, they were too light. 7.8 lbs stock. I made a lead insert for the buttstock hole which added ~ 12 ounce IIRC. Only shootable from standing with full power loads.

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Kevan said:
My '03 Springfield in 416 Taylor built by my Brother, if it doesn't get your attention... nothing will.
Or, a Ruger #1 in 450 / 348 Ackley Imp., loads are right on the heels of a 458 mag.
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Please post this picture. I've seen it before but it's a beauty and I love looking at your brother's work. You can tell where his passion lay.
 
cam1936 said:
I used to own this Ruger No. 1 in .450 Nitro Express 3 1/4"

500 grain bullet at 2450 fps (the No. 1 action is a whole lot stronger than a 100 year old double rifle. Case capacity is significantly more than a .458 lott.)

Ruger put the "C" contour barrel on these for some reason, they were too light. 7.8 lbs stock. I made a lead insert for the buttstock hole which added ~ 12 ounce IIRC. Only shootable from standing with full power loads
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I honestly cringed reading the weight of that rifle.
 
MasterChaud555 said:
I honestly cringed reading the weight of that rifle.
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Don't know what they were thinking not putting on the "D" contour.

I did one run with hotter loads to see what I could get, definitely far too light of a rifle to be practical with loads like that. In standard use I used .458 WM power loads and the rifle was a lot more reasonable. It sure was a lot more nimble than a bolt action express rifle though.
 
My highest recoiling rifle is a Winchester 1895 Deluxe Rifle ( shotgun butt) in .405 Win. I reload with original Kynoch 300 gr. bullets.
Using 57 gr. of 3031 powder , which measures @ 2230 f/s . A .375 H & H is the same bullet wt. & only 200 f/s faster .
So this relatively light rifle & my factory equivalent load is a real kicker . About 3 shots & I am ready for a rest .
Yes ,,,, recoil shield on my shoulder is a must . I guess if Teddy could shoot it , I can too ! ,,,,,,,,,, Frank
 
I have a double rifle in 45/70 that when loaded hot kicks hard but I shoot hard cast at 1600 fps. It's a pussy cat with that load

I also have a interarms mark X 458 wm with 26.5" barrel. 70 grs of h4895 and some 500 gr woodlieghs (2200 fps) seem to numb your entire right arm after 6 shots prone. I use 72 gr h4895 and 400 gr woodliegh for 2400 fps. It's caused some cuts and bruises on friends. Funny enough its guys who are new to shooting that can shoot it well. The ones who have been scoped are the guys with egos who think their 308 win is big and their 300 wm are cannons
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I've got a couple:

There's a CZ 550 in .416 Rigby. Recoil is currently quite manageable with a Bavarian stock that happens to be unusually heavy and a Limbsaver pad. With loads matching the nominal velocities it's not a big deal. By contrast,when I first got it I tried turning up
the best to nearly .416 Weatherby levels with the light original stock, factory non-pad and iron sights. Shot that way it was a viciously painful instrument of torture that numbed my arm
Right to the finger tips on every shot. Come to find out, that was the fun part compared to when the feeling came back. Compared to
that, just letting the elephant or
Buffalo win seems like a valid alternative. I don't know what nerves were being stomped on, but I'd rather get shot than do that again.

My main big bore is a M70 African, which is currently converted to .458 Lott and fitted for modified 5 and 10 shot AI magazines. In it's original configuration I used it to take 123 Buffalo, mostly Asiatics. There's perhaps another 20 worth of clean-up for others.
 
remington jim said:
Thats a Nice Rifle ! Any idea of or can you weight it ? Thxs RJ
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Thanks RJ, it's just a hair under 10 lbs. I'm not sure I'd want anything too much lighter.

It's a nice rifle as a "poor man's" big bore. The only thing that baffles me a bit is why CZ would put a set trigger on these and hollow out the bolt knob, but I guess that's what they have in their parts bins, so that's what they use.
 
unstableryan said:
Not quite retina detaching, but this '58 BSA Featherweight 30'06 is pretty, but unpleasant. It's light. I read they were 6.25 pounds open sights. 3 or 4 over a bench and it's not enjoyable anymore. But it sure is pretty.
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Friend of mine across the way has the exact same rifle. Even with the muzzle brake its a mean little b!tch to shoot, especially with 180gr bullets !!
 
I had a 458 WM in Ruger No. 1. It was not extremely pleasant, but my Marlin 1895 Guide Gun with full house loads is nearly as unpleasant. Right up there was a little Pedersoli muzzle loading 12 gauge SXS, weighed about 4 1/2 lbs, straight butt, steel butt plate. With stout loads, it really rattled stuff inside your skull. ANother one that, while not punishing, always left me with a bruised shoulder when firing a full mag (20 in those days) was a HK G3, because of its floating chamber. The gun seemed to pull away from your shoulder for a very brief period before the recoil hit you. But, being only a 308, it wasn't that bad. It was superbly accurate, though.
 
My .45-70 Ruger No.1 firing 500gr bullets at 1900 fps has rather stiff recoil! It weighs about 8 lbs scoped. Recoil is about as sharp as my 9 lb scoped .458 Lott Sako firing 500gr bullets at 2300 fps.

How fast the rifles recoil can be calculated from conservation of momentum -

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.45-70 No.1: 500 gr x 1900 fps / (8 lb x 7000 gr/lb) = 17.0 fps

.458 Lott: 500 gr x 2300 fps / (9 lb x 7000 gr/lb) = 18.3 fps

Recoil speeds between the 2 rifles are comparable.

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.45-70 Ruger No.1-S with Bushnell Legend Ultra HD 1.75-5x32mm scope

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.458 Lott Sako AV Hunter with Leupold VX-2 1-4x20mm scope
 
I had a .50-140 Sharps that used a 700gr bullet and 135gr of powder. When it went off the bast was incredible and you'd find yourself about a foot behind where you used to be.

It's a .45-70 now :)

Chris.
 
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