Retina detaching rifles
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bearkilr
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If it gets too tame for you, I will send you some of those 600's we were discussing.
Thanks for the offer, but when I say the 500 gr are "not unpleasant" that doesn't necessarily mean "pleasant" either.
I've had dozens over the years... they get traded away faster than any of the others... I keep buying them cuz I wanna play, but after a hundred rounds or so, I start thinking; "what the heck am I gonna use this for?" So, when it is time to fund a purchase or project, off they go...
Having said that, I currently have two that qualify on the over .40 cal criteria (not counting pistol cals); a Ruger No.1-S in .45/70 and an M77 in .458 WM... but only the WM really gives a jolt.
Having said that, I currently have two that qualify on the over .40 cal criteria (not counting pistol cals); a Ruger No.1-S in .45/70 and an M77 in .458 WM... but only the WM really gives a jolt.
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All joking aside, a detached retina shouldn't be taken lightly. It's a medical emergency. Individuals at risk shouldn't engage in activities that increase the chances of this happening -
"Retinal detachment describes an emergency situation in which a thin layer of tissue (the retina) at the back of the eye pulls away from its normal position..."
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/retinal-detachment/home/ovc-20197289
Other 40+ calibers in the collection -
.458 WM Remington 798 with Leupold VX-2 1-4x20mm
.416 Ruger Alaskan Hawkeye with Nikon Omega 3-9x40mm
.45-70 Marlin 1895XLR with Burris Timberline 4x
.416 RM Zastava LKM70 FS Carbine with Nikon Monarch 1.5-4.5x20mm
"Retinal detachment describes an emergency situation in which a thin layer of tissue (the retina) at the back of the eye pulls away from its normal position..."
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/retinal-detachment/home/ovc-20197289
Other 40+ calibers in the collection -
.458 WM Remington 798 with Leupold VX-2 1-4x20mm
.416 Ruger Alaskan Hawkeye with Nikon Omega 3-9x40mm
.45-70 Marlin 1895XLR with Burris Timberline 4x
.416 RM Zastava LKM70 FS Carbine with Nikon Monarch 1.5-4.5x20mm
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Congrats on the new toy, bearkilr, that is one serious-looking piece of ordnance. Not pretty, maybe...but nice!
It's all about rifle fit, guys. You can calculate and equate and measure and weigh and computer-project and extrapolate all you want, but if a gun fits you properly it will allow you to shoot the biggest cartridges. If it fits you poorly, it can make a powderpuff cartridge punch you with way more effect that the numbers lead you to expect. And the many variables in rifle fit make it much more complicated to come up with a mystical formula to predict the effects of shooting a given rifle than merely cooking up a simple, single number like the recoil scientists love to do.
Just something to think about...carry on with your cipherin'...
It's all about rifle fit, guys. You can calculate and equate and measure and weigh and computer-project and extrapolate all you want, but if a gun fits you properly it will allow you to shoot the biggest cartridges. If it fits you poorly, it can make a powderpuff cartridge punch you with way more effect that the numbers lead you to expect. And the many variables in rifle fit make it much more complicated to come up with a mystical formula to predict the effects of shooting a given rifle than merely cooking up a simple, single number like the recoil scientists love to do.
Just something to think about...carry on with your cipherin'...
unstableryan
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I have a 1895 in 45/70 as well. I load 480gr hard cast into the 1600's. It's stout but not too terrible.
Thanks for the offer, but when I say the 500 gr are "not unpleasant" that doesn't necessarily mean "pleasant" either.
Exactly !
But you don't fire many rounds out of these BIG Boys after there sighted in so the Pain is minimal ! RJ
My fillings hurt just looking at that thing..............
I used to own this Ruger No. 1 in .450 Nitro Express 3 1/4"
500 grain bullet at 2450 fps (the No. 1 action is a whole lot stronger than a 100 year old double rifle. Case capacity is significantly more than a .458 lott.)
Ruger put the "C" contour barrel on these for some reason, they were too light. 7.8 lbs stock. I made a lead insert for the buttstock hole which added ~ 12 ounce IIRC. Only shootable from standing with full power loads.
A buddy of mine USED to have, a Ruger Number 1 in .416 Rigby.
He had it loaded a little..warm!
I shot it once. That was lots. Declined the second round that he was holding out at me.
He broke the stock off it with that ammo, while sighting it in. He bought a new stock, pulled all the remaining loads he had, down, and sold it to someone here on CGN, supposedly.
I just sort of rolled my eyes when the trend of re-introducing all the heavy African Game calibers seemed the thing to do a few years back. Figured it would make for a lot of donor rifles for custom projects. Like as not, to be sold on with what was left of the first box of ammo bought for them, in most cases.
Most guys don't need that kind of power, nor do they have the skills to put it to use without hurting themselves.
I don't see much need to buy any gun that I have to have two different loads for, the ones I will shoot, and the ones that get loaded to hand it off to the unsuspecting newb. <cough> .500 S&W anyone? Some can shoot them, most can't, but fell for the sucker play of having to have the biggest, eh.
Cheers
Trev
He had it loaded a little..warm!
I shot it once. That was lots. Declined the second round that he was holding out at me.
He broke the stock off it with that ammo, while sighting it in. He bought a new stock, pulled all the remaining loads he had, down, and sold it to someone here on CGN, supposedly.
I just sort of rolled my eyes when the trend of re-introducing all the heavy African Game calibers seemed the thing to do a few years back. Figured it would make for a lot of donor rifles for custom projects. Like as not, to be sold on with what was left of the first box of ammo bought for them, in most cases.
Most guys don't need that kind of power, nor do they have the skills to put it to use without hurting themselves.
I don't see much need to buy any gun that I have to have two different loads for, the ones I will shoot, and the ones that get loaded to hand it off to the unsuspecting newb. <cough> .500 S&W anyone? Some can shoot them, most can't, but fell for the sucker play of having to have the biggest, eh.
Cheers
Trev
If it gets too tame for you, I will send you some of those 600's we were discussing.
Hmm ! So what KIND of 600's you all talkin about
just wondering ! RJ
I used to own this Ruger No. 1 in .450 Nitro Express 3 1/4"
500 grain bullet at 2450 fps (the No. 1 action is a whole lot stronger than a 100 year old double rifle. Case capacity is significantly more than a .458 lott.)
Ruger put the "C" contour barrel on these for some reason, they were too light. 7.8 lbs stock. I made a lead insert for the buttstock hole which added ~ 12 ounce IIRC. Only shootable from standing with full power loads.
Very KOOL Rifle too ! RJ
Hmm ! So what KIND of 600's you all talkin about
600gr Barnes originals.
Dad was a big man. He used to have big guns with big tubes. I did stupid things when I was a kid, but after he offered me a seat at the table behind one of them, I smartened up real quick. I don't have that kind of jam. Glad you folks are enjoying them. Still like to see them.
Trimmer 905
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After I fired my Marlin 1895 with ONE full-house handload I sold it
Picked up some maxi-pads on the way home from the range. Watched Ghost and had a good cry.
FFS! ROFLMFAO!! What did you do,make a hot load? That's funny,right there. My Marlin 1895 .45/70 has a bit of a punch to it,too,but,if anyone can fire a 20ga,they shouldn't have trouble with it. Buddy has a Winchester M70 in .458 WinMag that he took to Botswana many times that I certainly wouldn't thank him for.
It is exactly 10 lbs., not my idea of a weight for a hunting rifle.
My Brother used a full octagon Bevan King barrel and stocked it himself, Leupold mounts and a 1.5-5 glass.
A bit heavy for packing all day, not bad if you are quadding..
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Here's a proven retina detaching blaster, the 2 bore black powder rifle. If ye had a double fire with one of these, you'd be fooked. OUCH! (The little one is a .450-400 NE.)
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Had a .375Rum in a Remington 700 XCR that was around 7-8lbs. Recoil was vicious with 300grain interlocks at 2800fps. Made my 1895 marlin in .45-70 with 400grain speers at 1900fps feel like a bb gun. A buddy of mine shot it once and his hat flew off.
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bearkilr
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I used to own this Ruger No. 1 in .450 Nitro Express 3 1/4"
500 grain bullet at 2450 fps (the No. 1 action is a whole lot stronger than a 100 year old double rifle. Case capacity is significantly more than a .458 lott.)
Ruger put the "C" contour barrel on these for some reason, they were too light. 7.8 lbs stock. I made a lead insert for the buttstock hole which added ~ 12 ounce IIRC. Only shootable from standing with full power loads.
Ouch. That's a powerhouse in any rifle, let alone a #1. I really like #1's (have a 257 Rob. and 9.3x74), but their ergonomics aren't recoil friendly.
