Retina detaching rifles

I recently got to hold a Ruger #1 in .......577 3" Nitro. It has the factory stock, a Lothar-Walther barrel and I forget how many Mercury filled recoil reducers in the butt stock. The top of the locking block had to be re-radiused to allow the cartridge to enter the chamber. It balances nicely and weighs almost 14 lbs.

It was made for some yahoo in the Yukon, maybe it will be his Bison rifle.
 
A .375 h&h vanguard 2, a very light rifle, but the stock design seems to help with the recoil. I also have a 45-70 guide gun, and with some buffalo bore, it really wakes you up. I have had my eye out for a 458 wm/lott for a while, but nothing in my budget has shown up yet. There is just something about a big thumper!
 
I've skimmed through much of the thread and I don't see where anyone has mentioned replacing the lens in your eyes with plastic lenses, which is done during the cataract operation.
After the cataract operation was completed in each of my eyes, with great success, I used common sense to limit the recoil of guns to the 30-06 class. The opthamolojest arranged to examine my eyes once a year, on another matter. After two or three years she looked into my eyes with her magic light and stated, "Those lenses are sitting in there just perfect!"
Wow, that really hit me! I thought what am I doing shooting 30-06 rifles when recoil is obviously pretty critical. So I immediately dropped the rifles down to my two most accurate rifles and the ones I like to shoot the best of any--the 243 and 7-08, with which I could slay any four footed creature in the bush, if I so desired.
I'm having just as much shooting fun and feel safe from any recoil damage.
Bruce
 
Safety first. With reduced loads a 45 caliber would be more effective than a 416 because of the greater bullet width. Plus there are 45 caliber jacketed bullets suited for standard 45-70 speeds.
 
trevj said:
A buddy of mine USED to have, a Ruger Number 1 in .416 Rigby.

He had it loaded a little..warm!

I shot it once. That was lots. Declined the second round that he was holding out at me.

He broke the stock off it with that ammo, while sighting it in. He bought a new stock, pulled all the remaining loads he had, down, and sold it to someone here on CGN, supposedly.

I just sort of rolled my eyes when the trend of re-introducing all the heavy African Game calibers seemed the thing to do a few years back. Figured it would make for a lot of donor rifles for custom projects. Like as not, to be sold on with what was left of the first box of ammo bought for them, in most cases.

Most guys don't need that kind of power, nor do they have the skills to put it to use without hurting themselves.

I don't see much need to buy any gun that I have to have two different loads for, the ones I will shoot, and the ones that get loaded to hand it off to the unsuspecting newb. <cough> .500 S&W anyone? Some can shoot them, most can't, but fell for the sucker play of having to have the biggest, eh.

Cheers
Trev
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The problem with the #1 is that when its chambered for an enthusiastic kicker, the stock is prone to failure because the factory doesn't pay sufficient attention to even bedding. Once the bedding is addressed, the stock will withstand very heavy recoil for a very long time before problems arise.

Trimmer 905 said:
FFS! ROFLMFAO!! What did you do,make a hot load? That's funny,right there. My Marlin 1895 .45/70 has a bit of a punch to it,too,but,if anyone can fire a 20ga,they shouldn't have trouble with it. Buddy has a Winchester M70 in .458 WinMag that he took to Botswana many times that I certainly wouldn't thank him for.
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The .458 is a straight wall pistol cartridge, that can't even overspeed cast bullets; its at it's best shooting squirrels and rabbits.:nest: These rifles don't kick, with 2 notable exceptions; a scope that's mounted so the ocular extends behind the cocking piece will ensure you take a good bit of the recoil on the eyebrow, and since the rim of the ocular is hard, and has very little surface area, you'll probably remember the experience, the other exception is attempting to shoot a scoped .458 from prone. The thing is that even when lightly loaded, the .458 produces a good bit of muzzle rise, so firing a heavy loaded scoped .458 from prone will once again introduce the ocular rim to your eyebrow.:eek:
 
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When I first see "detached retina" I got to say your holding it wrong.
Then I see pictures of a brass shot glass of powder with a wheel weight worth of lead behind a lite rifle. Ooo

Tip #1 if your afraid of bruising your shoulder don't use your eyebrow to take up some of the recoil .
I was told it doesn't work.
 
buckbrush said:
I recently got to hold a Ruger #1 in .......577 3" Nitro. It has the factory stock, a Lothar-Walther barrel and I forget how many Mercury filled recoil reducers in the butt stock. The top of the locking block had to be re-radiused to allow the cartridge to enter the chamber. It balances nicely and weighs almost 14 lbs.

It was made for some yahoo in the Yukon, maybe it will be his Bison rifle.
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That would be a fun one to work with using hardast 650-800 gr. boolits and loads that duplicate the .577 Blackpowder Express. I'd work the weight of the beasty down to 11 lbs. for my use.

Gotta toss out pics of that puppy.:)

Update: Here's a pick of one with an SSK barrel & break. Looks like a dandy.
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I have 3 that aren't to bad. 1st is a #1 in 416 Rigby. 2nd is a Interarms mark x which cracked the flimsy stock after 3 shots. Replaced the stock with a ### fancy walnut,which brought the weight to about 9.5 loaded. 3rd is a #1 in 460WBY. I bought it from a fellow CGN member about 15 years ago. All 3 have proven effective on gophers and other critters. An all 3 I have no problem shooting them off a bench.
 
it's not mine. I asked the builder if I could take pictures with my phone and he declined. He is an old retired/disabled guy that does a little custom gun work on the side. His living conditions/location and financial status wont allow him to pay a Gunsmithing license fee and all the associated costs. (city business license, insurance, alarm system ...)

The Calgary Police have 4 officers dedicated to firearms policing, and they monitor any hobby gunsmiths they are aware of. Anyone working for money gets a warning and a description of what they can be charged with.

He is not a member of CGN, and does not want anything to do with it. He is highly skilled guy, he even made a rougher and finish reamer for the .577.

I think the only way to lighten the Rifle would be to turn the barrel taper down and maybe take out the recoil reducers. I forgot to ask him where he got the L-W barrel from, I don;t know who sells them in Canada.I have a Greener Martini police model 14 guage. I wonder if it could swallow a 3" .577 cartridge? Really a 2 3/4" would be enough for me.
 
BigUglyMan said:
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The Buell only had a warmed up Harley motor so obviously it couldn't go fast enough to detach a retina, but the vibrations could...early one Spring on my first ride of the year I actually couldn't focus because of the low rev vibrations...sold the Buell long ago...now stick to my Triumph Speed Triple 1050 ...much more powerful and much less vibration. But what does this have to do with rifles?...Internal Combustion. Good article comparing the two by Jack Lott (of .458 Lott fame) in an old Rifle magazine.
 
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