Retro Scattergun Builds and Discussion Thread
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Just picked up these legit, Savage 69, Series E, riot guns. 20" barrels - marketed around 1972 as an economically priced alternate for law enforcement/security to the Remington M870.
All three have serial numbers 3 digits apart. By the rack numbers, they appear to be from an armoured courier service in their previous life.
Bead sights all broken off; metal is not too bad - no rust, but a bit of mileage from in and out of the trucks. Wood is fairly decent on two of them. I'll be refinishing a couple sets of the furniture.
However, mechanically, they need a bit of work - mainly on the cheap, wire springs used by Savage/Stevens on the 77, 67, and 69 series shotguns - they loose their tension and are easily deformed over time.
But, they are classics - if you're into the Savage/Stevens line of riot guns, and not too common here in Canada.
Once I clean up a couple of them, I'll post pics.
All three have serial numbers 3 digits apart. By the rack numbers, they appear to be from an armoured courier service in their previous life.
Bead sights all broken off; metal is not too bad - no rust, but a bit of mileage from in and out of the trucks. Wood is fairly decent on two of them. I'll be refinishing a couple sets of the furniture.
However, mechanically, they need a bit of work - mainly on the cheap, wire springs used by Savage/Stevens on the 77, 67, and 69 series shotguns - they loose their tension and are easily deformed over time.
But, they are classics - if you're into the Savage/Stevens line of riot guns, and not too common here in Canada.
Once I clean up a couple of them, I'll post pics.
jeepcjaholic
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You lucky duck! Very cool there mister.Just picked up these legit, Savage 69, Series E, riot guns. 20" barrels - marketed around 1972 as an economically priced alternate for law enforcement/security to the Remington M870.
All three have serial numbers 3 digits apart. By the rack numbers, they appear to be from an armoured courier service in their previous life.
Bead sights all broken off; metal is not too bad - no rust, but a bit of mileage from in and out of the trucks. Wood is fairly decent on two of them. I'll be refinishing a couple sets of the furniture.
However, mechanically, they need a bit of work - mainly on the cheap, wire springs used by Savage/Stevens on the 77, 67, and 69 series shotguns - they loose their tension and are easily deformed over time.
But, they are classics - if you're into the Savage/Stevens line of riot guns, and not too common here in Canada.
Once I clean up a couple of them, I'll post pics.
Nice looking M12. Hard to tell from photo angle, but the barrel looks to be a factory 20".
If you're thinking about making it into M12 Trench Gun, you will need the 20-3/4" length barrel - the Bayonet Lug/Clamping Sleeve of M12 Heat Shield is 3-3/4" long.
So, a 20" Riot Barrel would be set back 1/2" - 5/8" from the front of the Lug Assembly, instead of protruding approx. 1/16".
Winchester seems to have produced both 20" and 20-3/4" length Riot Barrels.
Cheers!
If you're thinking about making it into M12 Trench Gun, you will need the 20-3/4" length barrel - the Bayonet Lug/Clamping Sleeve of M12 Heat Shield is 3-3/4" long.
So, a 20" Riot Barrel would be set back 1/2" - 5/8" from the front of the Lug Assembly, instead of protruding approx. 1/16".
Winchester seems to have produced both 20" and 20-3/4" length Riot Barrels.
Cheers!
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Those who saw my above Thread dated 06-13-2016, here are the "before" an "after" pics of two of the cleaned up Savage 69R Riot guns.
Top picture: this had the best, all-round finish on metal, so I left it stock, other than refinishing the wood.
Bottom picture: 69R had a decent finish on receiver, but barrel was missing a fair bit of bluing. So I installed a Stevens 77E Heat Shield, as was used on a small number of 77E Riot Guns sent to Vietnam, and also installed a Savage 69RXL forend.
Differences between the Stevens (Savage) 77E Riot Gun and the Savage 69R Riot Gun: the 77E was produced in the early 1960's for the U.S. military - approximately 77,000 were sent to Vietnam for that war. The 69R, introduced in 1972, was an improved version of the 77E - with a Tang mounted Safety, like the Mossberg 500/590/590A1, different wood, and offered to law enforcement as a cheaper alternative to the Remington M870 riot gun.
BEFORE:
AFTER:
Top picture: this had the best, all-round finish on metal, so I left it stock, other than refinishing the wood.
Bottom picture: 69R had a decent finish on receiver, but barrel was missing a fair bit of bluing. So I installed a Stevens 77E Heat Shield, as was used on a small number of 77E Riot Guns sent to Vietnam, and also installed a Savage 69RXL forend.
Differences between the Stevens (Savage) 77E Riot Gun and the Savage 69R Riot Gun: the 77E was produced in the early 1960's for the U.S. military - approximately 77,000 were sent to Vietnam for that war. The 69R, introduced in 1972, was an improved version of the 77E - with a Tang mounted Safety, like the Mossberg 500/590/590A1, different wood, and offered to law enforcement as a cheaper alternative to the Remington M870 riot gun.
BEFORE:
AFTER:
Those who saw my above Thread dated 06-13-2016, here are the "before" an "after" pics of two of the cleaned up Savage 69R Riot guns.
Top picture: this had the best, all-round finish on metal, so I left it stock, other than refinishing the wood.
Bottom picture: 69R had a decent finish on receiver, but barrel was missing a fair bit of bluing. So I installed a Stevens 77E Heat Shield, as was used on a small number of 77E Riot Guns sent to Vietnam, and also installed a Savage 69RXL forend.
Differences between the Stevens (Savage) 77E Riot Gun and the Savage 69R Riot Gun: the 77E was produced in the early 1960's for the U.S. military - approximately 77,000 were sent to Vietnam for that war. The 69R, introduced in 1972, was an improved version of the 77E - with a Tang mounted Safety, like the Mossberg 500/590/590A1, different wood, and offered to law enforcement as a cheaper alternative to the Remington M870 riot gun.
BEFORE:
AFTER:
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Updated pic of my Grizz. Realised I never got a decent pic of it after I swapped in the XS Sights Big Dot Tritium to solve the POA/POI issues. This gives a good sense how even with a modern sight up front, it keeps a nice clean, snag free profile.
This last pic is how it travels and sits propped up in the camp site. I use a nylon bag from a folding camp chair. Makes it invisible, for all intents and purposes. Nobody wandering by gives it a second glance. With the carry strap, I can sling it over my shoulder and walk anywhere in the bush and again, no one looks at it twice, but I can get at it surprisingly fast (Leave the draw string loose, grab the butt stock, and the bag just falls off).
This last pic is how it travels and sits propped up in the camp site. I use a nylon bag from a folding camp chair. Makes it invisible, for all intents and purposes. Nobody wandering by gives it a second glance. With the carry strap, I can sling it over my shoulder and walk anywhere in the bush and again, no one looks at it twice, but I can get at it surprisingly fast (Leave the draw string loose, grab the butt stock, and the bag just falls off).
