Revamp Saskatchewan's Big Game draw

There is no perfect system. Every existing system has its detractors.
The real problem is low number of available tags for the number of applicants.
If you think the current situation is bad, wait until the full effect of chronic wasting disease takes hold.
 
this is my first year in the draw , and first year hunting in canada , ... i got a 99 elk which moved me to super A .... and missed on all the rest , didnt think there was much chance , ... i come from a country where you can hunt all year , no draw ... and almost no limit ... this draw seems overly complicated , but any thing they come up with will annoy some regardless , at least i can buy a white tail tag and go get some meat ...
its a beautiful country and a great province .
 
powdermaker said:
Exactly. So if you do end up with more than one tag getting drawn, you have to make decisions based on your time and priorities as to which animal you would like to hunt.
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Its dated system and needs to be revamped plain and simple. A point system would definitely help. People could know somewhat know the the odds of getting drawn and could plan better for the hunt.
 
So how does the Sask big game draw work?
Here in NL we have the priority pool system from Pool 1 (highest) to Pool 9. You can apply for a individual license, or a "party" license. Me and the wife team up for a party license, since you have a better chance. For instance, in 2015 we applied for a moose license. You can choose male only or either ###. We both were in Pool 7. You can choose MHU (or "areas") when you apply. I only apply for areas close to home. We got a either ### moose license for the area where my cabin is. So then we automatically drop back to Pool 9. In 2016, we applied and was unsuccessful, because again I chose either ### and the same area in the application. Because we were unsuccessful, we both jumped up to pool 7 again. This year we have a good chance of getting an either ### moose license.
You can also not enter the draw, and you automatically jump up a pool. Each area has an set amount of moose licenses available, some more than others. I live in an area where there is over 2000 licenses available, and where my cabin is there is only 150 licenses available (this is determined after wildlife does their count). But since a lot of people choose the area with the most licenses available, getting one is hard unless you are "high up" in the pools. Confusing, I know, but it seem to work well. Caribou is the same, but for bear, just choose the area the want to hunt, and buy the license, and you can take two bears.
 
remyltr said:
system has its flaws for example
i know of people who have been waiting 12,17 and 26 years to be drawn
and yet another person i know, who puts in get drawn in 4 years
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This seems be happening alot lately and as you can see people are starting to want a change.

a possible solution would be exactly what SWF proposes.

"Crabbe suggests, is to combine a first-come, first-serve list with a lottery. “You get into a queue, so you know when you’re going to get drawn,” he says. “But in order to entice people to stay in the process and keep applying, you have perhaps 10 or 15 percent that are a random lottery draw.”

Im all for this and if people dont like it...dont enter in the draw.
 
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little bear said:
So how does the Sask big game draw work?
Here in NL we have the priority pool system from Pool 1 (highest) to Pool 9. You can apply for a individual license, or a "party" license. Me and the wife team up for a party license, since you have a better chance. For instance, in 2015 we applied for a moose license. You can choose male only or either ###. We both were in Pool 7. You can choose MHU (or "areas") when you apply. I only apply for areas close to home. We got a either ### moose license for the area where my cabin is. So then we automatically drop back to Pool 9. In 2016, we applied and was unsuccessful, because again I chose either ### and the same area in the application. Because we were unsuccessful, we both jumped up to pool 7 again. This year we have a good chance of getting an either ### moose license.
You can also not enter the draw, and you automatically jump up a pool. Each area has an set amount of moose licenses available, some more than others. I live in an area where there is over 2000 licenses available, and where my cabin is there is only 150 licenses available (this is determined after wildlife does their count). But since a lot of people choose the area with the most licenses available, getting one is hard unless you are "high up" in the pools. Confusing, I know, but it seem to work well. Caribou is the same, but for bear, just choose the area the want to hunt, and buy the license, and you can take two bears.
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Our system has pools from C through A, then if you don't get drawn in A pool you advance to Super A. If you're drawn you go back to C. You start in A. The trouble is, once you get to Super A everyone is the same boat.

Example:

With antelope practically everyone is in Super A, which when you think about it is the same as nobody being in Super A. Theoretically since all zones require Super A status to get drawn, in 17 years one person could get 4 tags and another could get nothing. The cure for that is a priority system that assures that if there was 1 tag available then the person who was waiting the longest got it. That might have been harder to manage when the system was run with a pencil and an abacus but since everything is computerized now it shouldn't be a big deal.

Trouble is, you just gotta know that a government organization would first study it for a few years, then seeing the merit would implement it with everyone starting at zero. "Course that's the same as everyone being in Super A again; but after a couple generations of hunters died off today's 14 year olds would have fair system.

The only good thing is that Montana and Wyoming aren't that far away.
 
scott_r said:
This seems be happening alot lately and as you can see people are starting to want a change.

a possible solution would be exactly what SWF proposes.

"Crabbe suggests, is to combine a first-come, first-serve list with a lottery. “You get into a queue, so you know when you’re going to get drawn,” he says. “But in order to entice people to stay in the process and keep applying, you have perhaps 10 or 15 percent that are a random lottery draw.”

Im all for this and if people dont like it...dont enter in the draw.
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So exactly how would the first come first serve list work?
 
Dogleg said:
Our system has pools from C through A, then if you don't get drawn in A pool you advance to Super A. If you're drawn you go back to C. You start in A. The trouble is, once you get to Super A everyone is the same boat.

Example:

With antelope practically everyone is in Super A, which when you think about it is the same as nobody being in Super A. Theoretically since all zones require Super A status to get drawn, in 17 years one person could get 4 tags and another could get nothing. The cure for that is a priority system that assures that if there was 1 tag available then the person who was waiting the longest got it. That might have been harder to manage when the system was run with a pencil and an abacus but since everything is computerized now it shouldn't be a big deal.

Trouble is, you just gotta know that a government organization would first study it for a few years, then seeing the merit would implement it with everyone starting at zero. "Course that's the same as everyone being in Super A again; but after a couple generations of hunters died off today's 14 year olds would have fair system.

The only good thing is that Montana and Wyoming aren't that far away.
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The only way that the current system can be seen as unfair is if you believe you have a right to hunt antelope.

As it is now everyone in the super a pool has the exact same odds of being drawn.
 
skhunter said:
The only way that the current system can be seen as unfair is if you believe you have a right to hunt antelope.

As it is now everyone in the super a pool has the exact same odds of being drawn.
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I do believe that I have a right to hunt animals on my own land before anybody else, or at my discretion instead of anyone else. To support this position, I offer up the majority of the privately owned planet.
 
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