Review of Minox ZP5

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[h=1]Minox ZP5 5-25×56 – Reviewed[/h]
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Being lucky enough to own some nice scopes presents a real “First World Problem” because it becomes harder to be super-impressed with new scopes that come along. Occasionally, however a scope does present itself that makes me say “wow” and the Minox ZP5 is one of those scopes – so for those who like a short read, you can stop here. For those who want to find out why I say the Minox ZP5 is a “wowzer” please read on.

Minox ( apparently pronounced MEE-Nox ) is based in Wetzlar, Germany and while it is probably best known as a camera company it now makes a variety of optical instruments including riflescopes for hunting and tactical applications.

This particular model – the ZP5 – is unique amongst the Minox offerings in that it can trace its lineage back thru to the Optronika / Premier riflescopes and therefore it is a cousin of sorts to today’s Tangent Theta scope – not the same, but a shared heritage.

A solid 34mm tubed scope – the technical specs on this scope can be found here:
http://www.minox.com/index.php?id=zp_tac_technical_data1&L=02

Unlike some of the European scopes which arrive very ‘bare bones’ the Minox comes nicely packaged with a foam insert and is complete with the excellent Tenebraex scope covers from Armament Technologies as well as a comprehensive, easy to read instruction manual. No sunshade is provided but – pro tip – the sunshade that fits a S+B 5-25×56 or Kahles 624i fits this Minox.

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Playing with the turrets find them to be crisp with a nice audible ‘click’ to them and the magnification ring while a wee bit stiff comes with a useful bump that acts as a built in throw lever.
I ordered this scope with the MR5 reticle which is really useful for the shooting I do which is (mostly) at known distances. A PRS competitor may however prefer the MR4 which is more of a Xmas Tree design. Turrets and ret are in MILs with 1/10th MIL adjustments of the turrets and 1/2 MIL hash marks on the MR5 ret.

Initially, mounted the scope on my custom R700/AICS and started to make my observations of the glass.

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Disclaimer: Readers of my reviews will know that to assess optical clarity and such like I use “Eyeball, Human Ver. 1.0” and so my opinions are based on what I see. Your mileage may vary and so while I say a scope A is optically ‘better’ than scope B you may (literally) see things differently.

My observation about the Minox image is that it is noticeably brighter than most. It is very crisp and clear and there is no fading or dulling at the max magnification. Clarity is edge to edge and I couldn’t see any chromatic aberration at all. It also cuts through mirage very well. Overall, this Minox is – to my eye – a clearer, sharper and brighter image than Vortex Razor II and I am calling it brighter than my NF ATACR 5-25 and 7-35. I am putting this glass right up there with my S+B Pmii and that has been – up to now – my favorite glass.

I found this an easy scope to ‘get behind’ – it is reported to have 90mm of eye relief – and controls were easily viewable from my shooting position. Diopter adjustment is the European style and is lockable – simple to do.

The zero stop is easily marked and is also easy to set – in my view it is not as good as say the Razor II but it is MUCH easier to use than the NF ATACR and it allows the shooter to go 1/2 mil below zero stop if necessary.

I like the crispness of the turrets though truthfully I think I prefer the feel of the ATACR ones but I am being very picky here and it might be that I am more used to one over the other. The turrets are double turn and rather than rise up and down a ‘white dot’ appears in windows at the base of the turret when you are on the second rev ( I have learned that this is called non-translatable turret operation – huh, who knew ?) .

On a second outing I switched rifles so as to avoid rifle bias and confirmed my initial impressions. An excellent – Tier One – optic.

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Warranty on the ZP5 is for 30 years and must be registered online. This warranty may worry some people who are used to the ‘no fault lifetime warranty’ offered by companies in North America but it simply isn’t something I worry about.

Price in Canada is just shy of C$3800 plus tax so this is right on par with the NF ATACR 5-25, Kahles 624i and Razor II scopes and – honestly – it betters them all; some by a smidge (ATACR) and others (624i) by a lot.

I got my Minox through Go Big Tactical in Prince George BC. Tom ( the owner ) is an excellent fellow to deal with and someone I’d have no hesitation whatsoever in recommending. Go Big Tactical can be found online at: http://gobigtactical.ca/

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Good review. Thanks for your guidance on the other forum. Between you, them, and Tom, I finally decided on the same optic you got. With same reticle. It should be here next week. Actually I traded in my ATACR for it! So your review is of particular interest to me.
 
Good review. Thanks for your guidance on the other forum. Between you, them, and Tom, I finally decided on the same optic you got. With same reticle. It should be here next week. Actually I traded in my ATACR for it! So your review is of particular interest to me.
I really like my 5-25 ATACR but the Minox has the edge over it IMO. My fave would be my 7-35 ATACR with Mil-c and Minox glass lol !!
 
Other than CA what do you find better than the Kahles? Is the Tangent Theta worth the extra $1600 or more. Thanks for your time!
 
thanks for the info. So I'll amend my question, is there $2595 difference between the Minox and the TT? Thanks!

Firstly, with regard to the Kahles 624i, I must have been super unlucky as I had 3 ( yes, three ) that each had QC problems. The terrible CA is well known but the QC has been explained to me as possibly due to a ramped up production to cater for increased demand. Who knows, maybe I was just unlucky but it soured me on what - otherwise - was a great scope and one that had one of my fave reticles ( SKMR3). Let us hope the new Kahles 5-25x56 is better ( but I won't be buying one ).

Now with regard to the TT, I think the TT is a LOT of coin at $6245 ( actually I thought it was a lot of coin at $5300 when I reviewed it !!). Sure it is very, very, good glass and arguably the best turrets out there BUT it is only a 5-25 and so it gives up mag to the ATACR 7-34 and to the new S+B which maxes out at 45x and MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY the TT has a reticle selection that flat out sucks. You get the Gen 2 XR - now there was a time when that was the cat's PJ's of a reticle - I have one on my US Optics ER5-25x58 - but today that is a very ho hum choice and for in excess of 6 large. So, long winded way of saying that the TT in my opinion ain't worth any money really over the ZP5 let alone a whopping twenty five hundred. Now of course this is one guys opinion and the good folks at TT sell all the scopes they can make so clearly lots of people disagree with me and that's fine :)
 
Firstly, with regard to the Kahles 624i, I must have been super unlucky as I had 3 ( yes, three ) that each had QC problems. The terrible CA is well known but the QC has been explained to me as possibly due to a ramped up production to cater for increased demand. Who knows, maybe I was just unlucky but it soured me on what - otherwise - was a great scope and one that had one of my fave reticles ( SKMR3). Let us hope the new Kahles 5-25x56 is better ( but I won't be buying one ).

Now with regard to the TT, I think the TT is a LOT of coin at $6245 ( actually I thought it was a lot of coin at $5300 when I reviewed it !!). Sure it is very, very, good glass and arguably the best turrets out there BUT it is only a 5-25 and so it gives up mag to the ATACR 7-34 and to the new S+B which maxes out at 45x and MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY the TT has a reticle selection that flat out sucks. You get the Gen 2 XR - now there was a time when that was the cat's PJ's of a reticle - I have one on my US Optics ER5-25x58 - but today that is a very ho hum choice and for in excess of 6 large. So, long winded way of saying that the TT in my opinion ain't worth any money really over the ZP5 let alone a whopping twenty five hundred. Now of course this is one guys opinion and the good folks at TT sell all the scopes they can make so clearly lots of people disagree with me and that's fine :)

Very well put and at $6245 the TT is beyond most shooters budgets. Being able to stay within your budget is a huge factor to consider so you have money left over to get out and shoot!
 
Thanks for your reply! As you may guess I have Kahles 624i scope and have been quite happy with it. TT supposedly has a new SKMR3 type reticle coming out in next 3-12 months. I want to try a new scope on a new rifle I'm getting. I have been turning treasures from my gun safe into extra special toys, so the $ difference is only slightly important. When I spend > $3000 for any rifle accessory I want to be REALLY happy with it . I have narrowed it down to the Minox and the TT and hope someday to bump into one at the range so I can look through it. thanks for your review, I appreciate benefitting from your learned experience and opinion.:cheers:
 
Tomochan you beat me to a review! I received my ZP5 last week from Go Big Tactical and could not be happier. The glass to my eyes is better than my S&B 5-25. This is by far my favourite scope and Ive own(ed) Leupold, Nightforce, S&B, Athlon for comparison.

If anyone is looking to try one I’ll be attempting to make a bunch of the PRS matches in Alberta
 
Thank you for your review!

Can you elaborate a little more about what drove you to decide on the MR5 vs MR4 Reticle? How do you find using the MR5? I will likely be purchasing a ZP5 sometime this summer, and am, as yet, not totally committed to one reticle or another.... Any assistance you can provide would be very helpful!
 
Thank you for your review!

Can you elaborate a little more about what drove you to decide on the MR5 vs MR4 Reticle? How do you find using the MR5? I will likely be purchasing a ZP5 sometime this summer, and am, as yet, not totally committed to one reticle or another.... Any assistance you can provide would be very helpful!

Well, it was really a case of 'end usage' - the vast majority of my shooting is at known distance and the MR5 really works for that. Now the MR4 would also work well but the Xmas Tree stuff does - in my opinion - really shine for the PRS / Unknown distance shooting of which I don't really do. Having said that, I have a number of Horus rets and I don't find them too 'busy' or anything so, honestly, I don't think you can make a bad call here. For me, I will get another ZP5 and will likely pick the MR4 so that I have both :)
 
I chose the mr5 reticle because I can’t imagine a situation where I won’t know the distance. Either I know from experience at a particular range. Or I’ll own a range finder. Or someone will tel me. People are good. Even having a ffp reticle is next to useless imo. Because of that same set of circumstances. I just wanted a higher quality optic, non cluttered, with finer reticle. That I can range with it is a bonus I’ll likely never use. I’ve never had to range in 6 years with my different Nightforce optics. The pit fall is even if you’re ranging and alone and it’s your only option, you’re still guessing the dimensions of what you’re ranging to do the math. Am I wrong?
 
I only use ffp scopes to shoot prs style matches. It’s got nothing to do with being able to range anything. If your dialing your magnification for different distance targets but you use your subtensions in your reticle you can be set at any magnification and they will be accurate. A sfp you have to be set on a pre determined mag power (usually full power) to have your reticle subrensions be accurate. So imo a spf scope is useless but to each their own. Great review as always Bob
 
I only use ffp scopes to shoot prs style matches. It’s got nothing to do with being able to range anything. If your dialing your magnification for different distance targets but you use your subtensions in your reticle you can be set at any magnification and they will be accurate. A sfp you have to be set on a pre determined mag power (usually full power) to have your reticle subrensions be accurate. So imo a spf scope is useless but to each their own. Great review as always Bob

Thanks Shawn -appreciated ! Now as far as the FFP / SFP thing goes, I was a "dyed in the wool" MOA/MOA SFP user until a couple of years back and now - other than the scope on my F-Class rifle - ALL my scopes are MIL/MIL FFP even though I nearly always shoot at known distance. I can't ever see me going back.
 
I chose the mr5 reticle because I can’t imagine a situation where I won’t know the distance. Either I know from experience at a particular range. Or I’ll own a range finder. Or someone will tel me. People are good. Even having a ffp reticle is next to useless imo. Because of that same set of circumstances. I just wanted a higher quality optic, non cluttered, with finer reticle. That I can range with it is a bonus I’ll likely never use. I’ve never had to range in 6 years with my different Nightforce optics. The pit fall is even if you’re ranging and alone and it’s your only option, you’re still guessing the dimensions of what you’re ranging to do the math. Am I wrong?

I ended up picking the MR4 in mine. My last scope was a S&B PMII 5-25 with the H2CMR reticle. I thought the same thing about never needing a Christmas tree reticle because the matches are never truly unknown distances. I regretted getting that reticle once I started using hold overs out to 5-600m. There are stages where you cannot use the turrets and the tree reticles come in handy, especially when the winds pick up. Plus I'm a huge fan of the floating dot which the MR4 has

IF you will never compete, then pick whichever reticle tickles your fancy. If there is a chance you will, the MR4 will help you out for sure.
 
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