Reviews on Norinco 870 14" shotguns

Wrong Way said:
I agree 100%. I have, in front of me, a 14" Norc, an 870 Express and an 870 wingmaster ( it's on the EE BTW, shameless plug :D)

Anyway, as far as quality, fit and finish goes.....the Wingmaster is best.
However, the Norc is far, ,far, FAR above the express. I cant believe it myself, but the Norc has better feel, finish, and cycles more smoothly than the express. Even the guts look better on the Norinco! The steel trigger guard is a plus (express is plastic).

I think the Norc represents an excellent value and would buy another in a heartbeat.
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You have to put down the pipe if you think the Norinco is far above the Express. My SPS is miles ahead of that thing. No comparison. Fit and finish? What fit and finish. It's black plastic and some kind of metal.And by the way it is not a Norinco 870. An 870 is a Remington.
 
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Win/64 said:
You have to put down the pipe if you think the Norinco is far above the Express. My SPS is miles ahead of that thing. No comparison. Fit and finish? What fit and finish. It's black plastic (kind of like your trigger assembly?) and some kind of metal (it's called steel...you know, like remington used to use?).And by the way it is not a Norinco 870. An 870 is a Remington.
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Me put down the pipe???? Where exactly did I say the Norc was an 870? Oh wise one...please, point it out.
Otherwise, you may wish to put down the pipe in your hand.

As far as my review, I also stated that I have all three IN FRONT OF ME. I own all three (five in fact), I'm not "bashing"...I'm stating facts. Just cause it says "remington" on the side don't make it better.
The Norc IS superior to the express..."miles" ahead. Holy hell...did you even take the time to read the other posters who own both? I'm not alone in this opinion. Now....that said, if you happen to have both in front of you and can make an educated, informed comment on the merits of both, please contribute to the conversation by making one. If you don't own the norc, please feel free to sit quietly by while those of us here who actually know what we are talking about discuss it. Thank you, and have a nice day :)
 
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Wrong Way said:
Me put down the pipe???? Where exactly did I say the Norc was an 870? Oh wise one...please, point it out.
Otherwise, you may wish to put down the pipe in your hand.

As far as my review, I also stated that I have all three IN FRONT OF ME. I own all three (five in fact), I'm not "bashing"...I'm stating facts. Just cause it says "remington" on the side don't make it better.
The Norc IS superior to the express..."miles" ahead. Holy hell...did you even take the time to read the other posters who own both? I'm not alone in this opinion. Now....that said, if you happen to have both in front of you and can make an educated, informed comment on the merits of both, please contribute to the conversation by making one. If you don't own the norc, please feel free to sit quietly by while those of us here who actually know what we are talking about discuss it. Thank you, and have a nice day :)
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Would you rather sail on a C&C 45' or a chinese Junk?
 
Well, to be honest.....if the C&C is built as piss-poor as the new expresses?

The junk. at least it'll stand a chance of getting me to my destination.

Funny....your chinese built computer seems to be working well.......


Clever evasion to my question, so let me dumb it down as far as possible for ya: Do you actually have any clue as to what you are talking abouut? Or are you just Norc bashing because...welll....I don't know why. Seriously man, have you ever compared the two head to head? Based on your post...I'd wager no.
 
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Wrong Way is right.

Just got back from shooting my HP9 and my buddy had his 870 Express.

Pulled the barrels on both and took look.

- The HP9 receiver is heavier and seems to be denser. It is also finished better.
- Action seemed smoother.
- Express has no sighting grooves on the receiver.
- Internal tool marks were similar.
- HP9 trigger group is steel.

I'll say that *my* HP9 is superior to the Rem Express.

I bought two (took Hungry's advise), and they were both equally good.

Oh, I'm writing this on my HP business class laptop. Guess where it's made?


Alot of this arguing sounds like the Japanese car debate during the late 70's and 80's. China makes good stuff and will continue to improve. Fact of life.


I'm now going to clean my "made in Canada .45" to provide some balance to the China bashers......
 
It was a range.

However, I did it find it accurate.

By leaning forward a bit, the Para's 45" barell was so close it was hard to miss the target :p
 
That's right !! Don't buy ONE HP9....

Buy TWO of them ! Get 'em before the HP9's go the way of the Norinco M14's and their NP29 single stack 9mm 1911's.

I shoulda followed my own good advice and bought TWO of the NP29's. I'm a fzcken dummy !! Now we cannot find anymore NP29's on the EE Forum or Marstar!! :(

Barney
 
If you must have a 14" gun and can't afford a Remington the Norinco is a not unreasonable choice. But to declare the Chinese guns "miles ahead" of the Remingtons is BS.

Any time I'm in a gun store I look at the Norincos and have seen a lot of them. I think Norinco's quality control is getting marginally better compared to a few years ago but they still let too many POS through. The 14" gun that I played with at Simmons last week seemed okay but not as nicely put together as an Express HD.

The Norinco doesn't have the J-lock which is a small point in its favour because the J-lock is easily swapped out. But the Norinco does doesn't have a flex tab shell lifter which is a huge drawback if you want to use a gun for serious purposes.

Overall I think the very best of the Norincos compare well with the Express. Not "miles better" but on par for the most part and once in a while a little better. The worst Norinco isn't worthy of discussion. About as bad as you can imagine. A lot of them don't even get to the dealer's rack and are sent back.

Check over any Norinco closely. Don't buy one sight unseen without a return option.
 
Man....if the rinco said "remington" on it you guys would be singing it's praises. However, the issue you seem to have with the "china" on the side is quite apparent. Not too far off the Japan bashing in the 70's and 80's (Remember? "Honda is crap" and "Jap Scrap" etc)

Here is a subjective breakdown. (And for the record, I am a huge remington fan, all of my working guns are remmy's....and I can afford to buy what I like)

Now, in comparison of my 870 Express vs my HP9:

Metal finish: N
Action Smoothness: N
Trigger pull: R
Safety: N
Stock: (both crap...but the edge would go to norc because of the sling swivel bushing...but both need real stock sets installed)
Machining quality: N
Reciever thickness: N
Trigger guard:N
Sight Channel w/ anti-glare grooves: N
Accuracy: Same
Cycling: N
Ejection:N
Front sight:R
Cost: N
Warranty (real or implied): N (marstar)

Seriously speaking, the remmy offers a slightly better trigger pull, and a better front sight...thats it. Now in comparison with my Wingmasters there really is no comparison...miles ahead of both. But when it comes down to comparing my 870 Exp with my HP9...if you ground off the reciever markings and judged the guns solely by their merits, I'm sure that 9/10 people who knew whart they were looking for would pick my Norc over my 870.

I'm not sure if it's a result of Norinco's QC going up...or Remmys going down, (or both) but I'm sold on the Norinco.
 
Wrong Way said:
Man....if the rinco said "remington" on it you guys would be singing it's praises. However, the issue you seem to have with the "china" on the side is quite apparent. Not too far off the Japan bashing in the 70's and 80's (Remember? "Honda is crap" and "Jap Scrap" etc)
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I don't care where a gun is from but only whether it is good value for the money and does the job it is supposed to do. The absence of the flex tab in the Norinco makes it less of a gun for serious purposes than a Remington. Have a double feed without one and you are out of business.

The reason I don't own a Norinco is because I have a perfectly good blued Remington 870P with a couple of barrels (including a 14") that does any serious work I need done and a subgauge Wingmaster just for fun.

I'm not bashing Norinco, just disagreeing with your contention they are "miles ahead" of the Express.
 
Claybuster said:
I don't care where a gun is from but only whether it is good value for the money and does the job it is supposed to do. The absence of the flex tab in the Norinco makes it less of a gun for serious purposes than a Remington. Have a double feed without one and you are out of business.
The reason I don't own a Norinco is because I have a perfectly good blued Remington 870P with a couple of barrels (including a 14") that does any serious work I need done and a subgauge Wingmaster just for fun.

I'm not bashing Norinco, just disagreeing with your contention they are "miles ahead" of the Express.
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You are referring to the anti-jam kit which inculdes the cuts in the carrier as well as cuts in the bolt and bolt carrier all of which make clearing either a double feed jam or single round under the carrier easier. With the older system are not SOL if you get a double feed but it is harder to clear than the newer system. You can clear an older system fairly quickly and easily using the 'push, pinch, pull' method.
Cheers
 
Forgot to mention that those extra seconds to clear such a jam would be like an eternity under real serious encounter situation, like Claybuster I prefer the 870 with the anti-jam kit.
Cheers
 
A double feed can happen with good ammo.

The clearance drill that Ike mentioned works but it requires comparatively fine motor skills something that are in short supply when the pressure is on and takes more time than just pumping the action hard. The flex tab permits the gun to be cleared and back in action with a hard stroke on the pump.

A double feed might never happen. But the flex tab is an additional measure of assurance that Remington puts on its guns that Norinco doesn't.
 
Calum said:
So how hard would it to be to install a flex tab? :)
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No idea as I've never had to do it. My 12 gauge has it and I don't care that my 28 gauge doesn't.

The big question would be getting the parts and whether they would fit on a Norinco. Presumably they would. You might take the matter up with the nearest Remington repair center.

http://www.remington.com/support/repair_services/canadian_RARC.asp

The next question would be whether a Remington repair center would perform the installation on a Norinco.
 
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