I love single stack 45 acp 1911's... just curious but I been scanning the equiptment exchange I never see any STI 2011's that are chambered in 45Acp there are lots of 40's and 9mm never any 45's... I know someone is going to say its more expensive to shoot 45 and thats not true...when you load your own.
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As the sole importer of all the 2011s for the last few years, I can tell you that demand from dealers and shooters is about 20 to 1 - 40 to 45.
Therefore, there's more 40 cal 2011s in the used marketplace.
I respectfully disagree with you on "the load your own" comment.
1. 45 projectiles are more expensive than 40s.
2. Unless you're that annoying SOB that drives everyone else on the range nuts scrounging your very last piece of brass; you have to buy brass someday
I load them both, small pistol vrs large pistol primers cost the exact same... The powder charges are simmilar 5.5 vrs 5.8... hornady .400 200grs are 28.77 according to there site and .451 200grs are 28.77.
Yes I am one of those annoying sobs that collect every piece of my brass. Normally I am the only person ever shooting... if I went to match I would leave the 100 pcs behind...
Yes the Police Rcmp and Security companies all shoot 40 so there is lots of free brass.
Yes I am one of those annoying sobs that collect every piece of my brass. Normally I am the only person ever shooting... if I went to match I would leave the 100 pcs behind...
Yes the Police Rcmp and Security companies all shoot 40 so there is lots of free brass.
South of the border I think there's a lot stronger argument for .40 with the increased carrying capacity, up here we're limited to 10 rounds so same number of changes per stage.
I shoot and reload .45 and the real cost difference to .40, as Freedom Ventures pointed out is brass...it magically disapears before they've even finished scoring my stage I know I'm just a beginner, but I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to come away with more than half of what I started with. I think next year I'm going to start stamping it and seeing how much of it I end up buying back off of CGN EE.
.45 ACP might have an advantage this upcoming year by being able to shoot cheap, cast, unswaged, unjacketed lead bullets at 800 fps might be a big cost advantage.
I shoot and reload .45 and the real cost difference to .40, as Freedom Ventures pointed out is brass...it magically disapears before they've even finished scoring my stage
I know I'm just a beginner, but I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to come away with more than half of what I started with. I think next year I'm going to start stamping it and seeing how much of it I end up buying back off of CGN EE..45 ACP might have an advantage this upcoming year by being able to shoot cheap, cast, unswaged, unjacketed lead bullets at 800 fps might be a big cost advantage.
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I think you and I are comparing apples to oranges. My oranges say: Frontier 40-180s - (the most popular 40) is $99 per K from Marstar, while 45 ACP 230s (the most popular 45) are $126 per K. http://www.marstar.ca/ammo-etc/rl-frontier-hg.shtm
You yourself even charge more for 45ACP brass vs. 40 Brass.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=280698
I'm guessing by the fact that you are commenting based on loading hornadys, priced per small box, and buying new
brass as opposed to once fired, plated per K - you're not shooting a lot, and the cost variance is negligible, whereas a competitve shooter at safely 8000 rounds per year; loosing brass at matches - replacing it with once fired or processed - is in a different boat.
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I have a soft spot for .45's. It's what I started with and it was the most forgiving cartridge to load that I've ever used, and pretty much always accurate. You can set up a very nice gun to play with from what you have with moderate expense, and the Tech well should be a decent compromise on the reloading speed. But Sean is right; if you start shooting it a lot, it's going to cost you. Bullets are priced by weight, and .45's just have more of it. Cases are also not as easily acquired as .40's so the laws of supply and demand apply there as well.
It'll still be a fun gun to mess around with though.
It'll still be a fun gun to mess around with though.
All I am saying is technically they cost about the same... if you buy all new stuff from wholesale sports...
I shoot about 10000+ lead cast 45's a year and like I said I also shoot 40's
if you look at the consumables they are about in the same ball park... but then I also cast my own in big qty...
Reason I charge more for 45's is I had to buy them and it took about 6 months to find someone who could supply me with what I needed... we both know there is a shortage in the canadian use brass or even new brass market...
Actually the hornady bulk fmj's the 180 40 S&W is a 1.50 more per 100 pcs then the more heavy 230 45 acp
Your not comparing correctly why would you compare 180 vs 230 who cares about popularity lets compare same thing to the same thing
I shoot about 10000+ lead cast 45's a year and like I said I also shoot 40's
if you look at the consumables they are about in the same ball park... but then I also cast my own in big qty...
Reason I charge more for 45's is I had to buy them and it took about 6 months to find someone who could supply me with what I needed... we both know there is a shortage in the canadian use brass or even new brass market...
Actually the hornady bulk fmj's the 180 40 S&W is a 1.50 more per 100 pcs then the more heavy 230 45 acp
Your not comparing correctly why would you compare 180 vs 230 who cares about popularity lets compare same thing to the same thing
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I am comparing similar - as much as you are comparing a "sometimes shooter" with a "competitive shooter", and I care - it's relevant. 90% of 40 Cal shooters shoot 180s. 90% of 45 ACP shooters shoot 230s so that factors into the cost difference in shooting both.
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Exactly - and with scarcity comes increased prices...so 45 cost more...
Ok well I wont call myself a competitive shooter... since I never shot a match but I do enjoy shooting I go out once a week fire 200 - 200grs semi wads out of my 45... when I did my holster course they where suprised at how well I shot...
I dont own any fancy 2000 + dollar 2011's sti... just a spartan... and two springfields... but my friend has some very expensive STI's and SVI's and he only shoots jacketed 180 FMJ out of them something about if you can afford the gun well then you can afford to shoot the best out of them...
I know there are 1911 fanatics that will only shoot ball 230 out of them and anything else is sac religious...
But realistically we are all just punching wholes in paper you dont need heavy bullets to do that... When I was buying cast bullets I shot 175 Semi wad... because they where the cheapest... but I opted for 200 semi wad mold when I started to make my own because it was instock... and yes its probally cheaper in the long run if I would buy FMJ then make my own cast the time it takes to melt ingots... remelt into bullets... lube... then load them all up but its a hobby and I dont sit there and keep track of the hours I spend melting lubing and loading times minum wage or my hourly rate.. I just look at it as using my spare time productivly.
I will agree that if your going to shoot 180 40 plated vs 230 45 plated its cheaper but aparently thats what most people do... myself I have shot maybe 200 230's Fmj's out of my 1911's since I have had them and probally fired 49800 175's and 200's but then again I am just a sometimes shooter not a compeditor...
We can go at this for hours... find the cheapest this and the powder that uses the least amount etc... lets just say we are both right if your going to match the most common factory spec for each caliber well its cheaper to shoot 40 then 45... but if your going to shoot a lighter 45 bullet then they are about the same
And if your not going to scroung around for the best deals and are a millionair and walk into a big box store odds are your recipts for each caliber will be about the same.
I dont own any fancy 2000 + dollar 2011's sti... just a spartan... and two springfields... but my friend has some very expensive STI's and SVI's and he only shoots jacketed 180 FMJ out of them something about if you can afford the gun well then you can afford to shoot the best out of them...
I know there are 1911 fanatics that will only shoot ball 230 out of them and anything else is sac religious...
But realistically we are all just punching wholes in paper you dont need heavy bullets to do that... When I was buying cast bullets I shot 175 Semi wad... because they where the cheapest... but I opted for 200 semi wad mold when I started to make my own because it was instock... and yes its probally cheaper in the long run if I would buy FMJ then make my own cast the time it takes to melt ingots... remelt into bullets... lube... then load them all up but its a hobby and I dont sit there and keep track of the hours I spend melting lubing and loading times minum wage or my hourly rate.. I just look at it as using my spare time productivly.
I will agree that if your going to shoot 180 40 plated vs 230 45 plated its cheaper but aparently thats what most people do... myself I have shot maybe 200 230's Fmj's out of my 1911's since I have had them and probally fired 49800 175's and 200's but then again I am just a sometimes shooter not a compeditor...
We can go at this for hours... find the cheapest this and the powder that uses the least amount etc... lets just say we are both right if your going to match the most common factory spec for each caliber well its cheaper to shoot 40 then 45... but if your going to shoot a lighter 45 bullet then they are about the same
And if your not going to scroung around for the best deals and are a millionair and walk into a big box store odds are your recipts for each caliber will be about the same.
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I love my STI Ranger II 45!!! I choose to campaign my 40 in IPSC Standard because it costs me less to shoot the 20,000 rounds a year it goes through.
We're at that point where someone is going to post that politically incorrect picture of the challenged child jumping that tells us how arguing on the internet is stupid; so I'll step out.
We're at that point where someone is going to post that politically incorrect picture of the challenged child jumping that tells us how arguing on the internet is stupid; so I'll step out.
I know what you mean. We really got off topic here too... I am working on getting my one springfield comped I have a two port comp installed... its single stack 45's it will probally be my new favorite gun... I cant decide if I am going to leave it open sights or get an optic
here is my new toy... cant decide if I want to keep it open sights or get an optic for it... I am looking for a smith and alexander mag well if anyone has a spare since brownells wont send it up because smith and alexander isnt registered with the state department.
