Revolver time, gun nutz feedback needed for next purchase...

One unusual but really accurate N frame is the discontinued 624. I have one of these, of course in the more common 6.5 inch & that lovely tapered barrel. This thing is really accurate at 25 yards. But you must handload, because factory .44 Special is often more expensive then some factory .44 Magnum.
 
I bought a Ruger Super Redhawk in 44 magnum, all shiny stainless. 9" barrel and I really like it. Heavy, but way easier to be accurate then my G22 (well, duh...). I'm surprised at how mild the kick is, even with factory loads.
 
I'm going to jump into this thread as I too am also considering my first revolver purchase.

My experience so far:
I am an established shooter, got many 1000's downrange, not worried about any learning curve.
Right now I shoot a 9mm 1911, an M&P9, and a 44 Desert Eagle.

I reload for all these. I can reload for 44 for significantly cheaper then factory, to make matters worse, I have a paint bucket full of 44mag Cast Gas check bullets I've worked up loads for, and tested in my Marlin 1894 but cannot use in my D'Eagle.

That being said, I'm hung up on whether I should go 44 mag, or stick with 357.

Option in 357 so far locally are; a flawed but awesome 686-3 6" or a 19-4 6", with the rumour of a 27.

The 686 is flawed cause it has "too good" a trigger job. One of those jobs where if you push on the hammer while cocked, you can get it to drop without touching the trigger. However, I know the shop owner well, and he's let me have my way this gun, I've probably spent a solid hour an a half the past week or two sitting off in the corner on my own fondling and inspecting it.
I've had the opportunity to dry fire and test it plenty, unless this problem can get worse, it seem perfectly safe. It takes some good force to drop the hammer, and well, it does make for an awesome trigger. It's telepathic.

The 19-4, is a really good price, or so it seems to me, and I kind of like the classic blued look. It looks just like the Daisy Pellet gun I have that I got as a kid and grew up with. It has a nice trigger, the action tests safe and solid. Lockup and timing seems tight and correct. My hangup is that I feel I would rather the L frame for the extra weight for accurate target shooting, and overall robustness, as I do like to play with hot rounds sometimes. Also, this gun does not have the newer nicer sights that the 686 has with the orange front and white rear. Not a deal breaker, but it is a nice touch.

I don't know anything about the 27, other then a buddie mentioned that a fellow member at this club might have one for sale. (We have like 5 ranges in my city) Said it was an 8". A big N frame 357 with that long a barrel just seems odd to me, but I suppose it would offer the most of what I'm looking for as the point of getting a revolver to me is to have the maximum accuracy advantage a handgun can offer for the purpose of maybe shooting groups and a consistent 50y print.
The weight an radius will give me that, but to heavy could induce some muscle shake.

As I am a fan of matching calibres, the fact that I'm 44 ready is a selling point on the other end of the spectrum. However, the money I save with the 19-4 over the 686 could buy me dies and get me started.

There is a listing posted at my local club for a 629 6" that has peaked my interest. I have not contacted the guy yet to find out if it's still available.
There is also the option of waiting out the EE for one to pop up in my budget range, it does happen eventually. Just saw a 629 5" sell for a price I would of been willing to pay. I would rather a 6" for the extra radius, as mentioned
Another local shop has many new offerings, tho' I'd rather buy used. I'd have to layaway and save more to buy new, unless I got that cute Ruger Blackhawk they have, but I'd rather a modern style double, and again, it's only like a 4.6 or 5".

Hopefully this isn't tl;dr.

Let me know what you think.

Hi
Yes the 686 is probably a better gun if you are going to shoot a lot of 357 as it is a stronger L frame. But stay away from this one as it has been bubbaed. It is unsafe and should not be used until it has been fixed properly. In fact the shop that has it should in no way be offering it up for sale until it has been fixed.

If you have to chose between the 686 and the 19 at your shop then take take the 19. If you want a stronger gun then wait for a good not messed with 586 or 686 to show up.

The 27 is a real nice gun but with a 8 3/8 inch barrel it will be a hard gun to shoot offhand.

If you are mainly going to shoot light target loads then the 19 will be your best bet as it will balance better then the 686 or 586.

Graydog
 
Warning: wheel guns are addictive.

I'm a die hard auto guy but just got my first revolver: a 1990 686-3. It is absolutely wonderful.

Now I want another. A 627 for use in IPSC. I'd shoot production with against the autos!
 
Hi
Yes the 686 is probably a better gun if you are going to shoot a lot of 357 as it is a stronger L frame. But stay away from this one as it has been bubbaed. It is unsafe and should not be used until it has been fixed properly. In fact the shop that has it should in no way be offering it up for sale until it has been fixed.

If you have to chose between the 686 and the 19 at your shop then take take the 19. If you want a stronger gun then wait for a good not messed with 586 or 686 to show up.

The 27 is a real nice gun but with a 8 3/8 inch barrel it will be a hard gun to shoot offhand.

If you are mainly going to shoot light target loads then the 19 will be your best bet as it will balance better then the 686 or 586.

Graydog

Yeah, once me and some of the other guys at the shop that day agreed that there was something wrong with the gun, it was removed for sale. He said he might look into repairing it, or reducing it for As Is sale to the right guy he knows can do the work himself (like me). He's thinking about it either way,

Meanwhile, I did notice the balance on the 19 was rather nice. I do like the option of shooting hot loads once in a while, but realistically, I will be loading for economy are accuracy. I don't see myself loading down to 38 specs, but more like a mid power sub-magnum, to get a nice controlled pop.
 
Are you going to shoot it all the time or just sometimes? If just some times
get yourself a nice blue Colt Python. More money than you wanted to spend,
but one nice wheeled gun. Just my two cents worth.
 
Really depends what you want to do with it but if you already have a G22 in .40 S&W why not a 610?
6.5" barrel, comes with moon clips, if you want to bark fire its chambered for the 10mm (everyone shoots .40 S&W out of them), Stainless, N frame, very popular in IPSC, nice sights, it matches your price point, one set of dies allows you to reload for both guns, same powders/primers/cases/projectiles...
Easy choice to me.
But I went to a 625,lol
 
Ok Gun-nutz, thanks for all your input on my last acquisition of the Glock 22 in .40 cal S&W, haven't fired it yet but it feels great in the hand! My next handgun purchase has to be a revolver. Looking for the classic all round impress your friends and frighten your enemies kind of pistol. Willing to spend around 1200 clams for this bad boy! Would you be so kind as to offer up your valued advice?...
Cheers!

A Smith and Wesson Model 19 in 44 magnum, and the Classic Hunter Version with a non fluted cylinder......In your price range and will impress :) Oh, and fear factor is up there too for your enemies.......
 
I'm going to jump into this thread as I too am also considering my first revolver purchase.

My experience so far:
I am an established shooter, got many 1000's downrange, not worried about any learning curve.
Right now I shoot a 9mm 1911, an M&P9, and a 44 Desert Eagle.

I reload for all these. I can reload for 44 for significantly cheaper then factory, to make matters worse, I have a paint bucket full of 44mag Cast Gas check bullets I've worked up loads for, and tested in my Marlin 1894 but cannot use in my D'Eagle.

That being said, I'm hung up on whether I should go 44 mag, or stick with 357.

Option in 357 so far locally are; a flawed but awesome 686-3 6" or a 19-4 6", with the rumour of a 27.

The 686 is flawed cause it has "too good" a trigger job. One of those jobs where if you push on the hammer while cocked, you can get it to drop without touching the trigger. However, I know the shop owner well, and he's let me have my way this gun, I've probably spent a solid hour an a half the past week or two sitting off in the corner on my own fondling and inspecting it.
I've had the opportunity to dry fire and test it plenty, unless this problem can get worse, it seem perfectly safe. It takes some good force to drop the hammer, and well, it does make for an awesome trigger. It's telepathic.

The 19-4, is a really good price, or so it seems to me, and I kind of like the classic blued look. It looks just like the Daisy Pellet gun I have that I got as a kid and grew up with. It has a nice trigger, the action tests safe and solid. Lockup and timing seems tight and correct. My hangup is that I feel I would rather the L frame for the extra weight for accurate target shooting, and overall robustness, as I do like to play with hot rounds sometimes. Also, this gun does not have the newer nicer sights that the 686 has with the orange front and white rear. Not a deal breaker, but it is a nice touch.

I don't know anything about the 27, other then a buddie mentioned that a fellow member at this club might have one for sale. (We have like 5 ranges in my city) Said it was an 8". A big N frame 357 with that long a barrel just seems odd to me, but I suppose it would offer the most of what I'm looking for as the point of getting a revolver to me is to have the maximum accuracy advantage a handgun can offer for the purpose of maybe shooting groups and a consistent 50y print.
The weight an radius will give me that, but to heavy could induce some muscle shake.

As I am a fan of matching calibres, the fact that I'm 44 ready is a selling point on the other end of the spectrum. However, the money I save with the 19-4 over the 686 could buy me dies and get me started.

There is a listing posted at my local club for a 629 6" that has peaked my interest. I have not contacted the guy yet to find out if it's still available.
There is also the option of waiting out the EE for one to pop up in my budget range, it does happen eventually. Just saw a 629 5" sell for a price I would of been willing to pay. I would rather a 6" for the extra radius, as mentioned
Another local shop has many new offerings, tho' I'd rather buy used. I'd have to layaway and save more to buy new, unless I got that cute Ruger Blackhawk they have, but I'd rather a modern style double, and again, it's only like a 4.6 or 5".

Hopefully this isn't tl;dr.

Let me know what you think.

well, i'm pretty sure i wouldn't run anything except jacketed bullets thru a DE, lead shaved into the gas system will eventually cause misery and grief.

I have had all of the above mentioned revolvers, no longer have the 14 (because i kept other K frames instead) Of them all, my choice would be the 27 if you like the long barrels. Then the 686 if you plan on shooting lots of 357. If your going to spend most of your time on 38, go for the 14. It will be the lightest of them, if weight is a consideration.

I shoot 44 in revolvers, but not much as i find it abusive on the ears indoors, and my range is indoors. (even with 29db muffs) and 44 special will run you almost as much as the hot stuff, if you find a shop carrying it.
They have their place.
 
Really depends what you want to do with it but if you already have a G22 in .40 S&W why not a 610?
6.5" barrel, comes with moon clips, if you want to bark fire its chambered for the 10mm (everyone shoots .40 S&W out of them), Stainless, N frame, very popular in IPSC, nice sights, it matches your price point, one set of dies allows you to reload for both guns, same powders/primers/cases/projectiles...
Easy choice to me.
But I went to a 625,lol

If you can find a 610, this is awesome advice. Yeah, i have the 625 too....very much fun in IDPA :)
 
Let me know what you think.

As other have said, the 686 is straight-up unsafe. Do not buy it. If it has the flaw with the hammer dropping to pressure, who knows what else might come up? That said, if you make it clear you'd buy the pistol if your store had it fixed, you never know. They might get it done to turn a profit on what is currently a paperweight.

The Model 19 is in my opinion one of the best handguns ever made. The newer L-frames are a bit tougher and fun, but the Model 19 is classic and functional. If you only plan to shoot the heavier loads occasionally, I wouldn't be concerned for the L-frame not standing up to them. I'm not a gunsmith or time machine, but I think the idea that the M19 will flame out from excessive .357 loads is an idea that's amplified through the megaphone of the internet. Will it happen if you feed an M19 a constant load of wrist-breakers? Sure, eventually. If you do it infrequently and shoot mostly mild .357 and mouse-fart .38s like the vast majority of shooters do, I would happily pick up the Model 19. You can change and customize the sights later and the M19 likely has a much sweeter trigger than any new production handgun.

The Model 27 is a great gun too but I don't think the idea of an 8" barrel on a gun with a heavy N-frame is a great combination. You're passing the point of mass for stability into working out to keep the barrel up.

As far as the .357 vs .44 for your circumstances, that's tougher to answer. If you have a good stash of .44 brass and such, shooting downloaded .44s might be better for you. Personally, I just like the .357 better as a caliber for lower costs, but having two other .44s is a pretty compelling reason to stick with the bigger caliber. If you shoot competitions like IDPA, I'd probably go ahead and get into the .357. If you're just using them to plink and target shoot by yourself, if you shoot moderate volumes of ammo the .44 might be the way to go. If you shoot a lot, then the difference in cost with the .357 will pretty quickly catch up and you'll be 'saving' money.
 
I know a couple guys with model 19's that have fed them lots of factory .357 loads without any problems. My uncle has had his for over 30 years. I have a 66 and 586 (both 6") myself and load using hardcast bullets at light magnum levels. I prefer the 66 unless I am shooting heavy loads, then the extra weight of the 586 is nice. Both are nicer to shoot than my Blackhawk.
Kristian
 
If you can find a 610, this is awesome advice. Yeah, i have the 625 too....very much fun in IDPA :)

Both great S&W guns and both rare and expensive to purchase. Both guns are not in production IIRC. These guns both use moon clips and moon clips have issues, like hard to get the spent brass out afterward. As for the 625 I would recommend a Ruger convertable that shoots .45ACP and .45LC. You don't need to shoot Long Colt out of it and this gun is about 1/2 the S&W cost as well and you get a new gun compared to a used gun. The 610 is great but rare and hard to find, the only Ruger is rarer still it is .40S&W/10mm and something else (like 38/40) and rare as hell.

Great idea, we should get someone making these guns again for Canada. The 625 is made but 4" BBL.
 
Ok Gun-nutz, thanks for all your input on my last acquisition of the Glock 22 in .40 cal S&W, haven't fired it yet but it feels great in the hand! My next handgun purchase has to be a revolver. Looking for the classic all round impress your friends and frighten your enemies kind of pistol. Willing to spend around 1200 clams for this bad boy! Would you be so kind as to offer up your valued advice?...
Cheers!

Just how far do you want it to reach out and touch something? :p
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