RFB - best.. rifle.. ever.
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Did you try PMC in the Tavor? 55 and 62? As for the RFB 145 MFS seems to work very well. The accuracy of the Tavor isn't as bad as a lot of people seem to think. There are a couple of issues. First most people are using the wrong ammo in it. Second if you're benching it most haven't learned on a heavy trigger so that is the biggest obstacle. Plus there is the violent release when the trigger lets go which can actually move the rifle off target. Try dry firing it with just a front bag and watch the crosshair. When supported off hand this release doesn't affect accuracy but it sure does on a bench.
Take the two apart side by side. Your choice would be pretty clear if they were the same price. The RFB has a decent enough feel to it, but it's not the build quality of the Tavor. Once you get past the cover and look at the operating systems it's pretty obvious which is the much nicer engineered rifle.
Why didn't you buy it?
Then factor in the cost to import it legally.
Plus I'm not 100% sure but I believe the US version has an 18 inch barrel as opposed to our Canada legal 18.5 inch making the US one restricted. Which if I'm right also means that we get a special run to meet our laws which drives up the prices.
People need to learn to stop comparing prices here to the US. Retailers down south move significantly higher volumes of rifles than Canadian retailers which gives them a much better price plus being made in the US with no import BS to deal with makes them cheaper.
irunguns has done great things to bridge the gap but there is only so much that can be done.
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The biggest problem I find with shooting a bullpup off a bench for accuracy is just supporting it properly. Once I figured out a way to rest my RFB so it didn't move my groups shrunk almost in half. I have handloads using 110gr v-max through 165gr SST that will print 1.5 inch groups at 100yds no problem and I think with some more time on development I can get those a little smaller.
These rifles were not built to be DMR or sniper rifles, they are battle rifles so accuracy was not really a consideration other than that it would do better than 5moa which I think every one of them will easily do.
Just because it cost over $2000 doesn't mean it's a sniper rifle and the manufacturer has never made any claims that it is. Even the 24 inch barrel version of the RFB is no different, I contacted Kel-Tec directly and was told that the barrel is exactly the same as the 18 inch model only cut to a different length. That means the same accuracy but a few more feet per second is all you get with the loss of maneuverability going to the 24 inch.
Rifles cost more here, get over it. Blame the government not the rifle. If you don't like it don't buy one but it isn't a negative aspect of the rifle just because you can't afford one.
These rifles were not built to be DMR or sniper rifles, they are battle rifles so accuracy was not really a consideration other than that it would do better than 5moa which I think every one of them will easily do.
Just because it cost over $2000 doesn't mean it's a sniper rifle and the manufacturer has never made any claims that it is. Even the 24 inch barrel version of the RFB is no different, I contacted Kel-Tec directly and was told that the barrel is exactly the same as the 18 inch model only cut to a different length. That means the same accuracy but a few more feet per second is all you get with the loss of maneuverability going to the 24 inch.
Rifles cost more here, get over it. Blame the government not the rifle. If you don't like it don't buy one but it isn't a negative aspect of the rifle just because you can't afford one.
Yup the RFB-C is 18.5 non threaded while the US one is 18" threaded. Also they had to have the caliber changed on the side of the RFB-C to 308 instead of 7.62. I will say this for the pricing of the RFB. I waited 3 years for one of these from the time they were announced etc. When they hit the US market Vault had them at almost the same time. Fireball, Lineofsite and I had them near the beginning when trying to find them in the US was a real issue. I was posting in the US Kel-tec site along with the US early adopters. Fireball had some of the most extensive ammo test for the RFB you could find. Those were posted here on a Canadian site with a Canadian RFB.
Fireball also called up Kel-Tec regarding accuracy when we were reloading for his (See Fireball's RFB accuracy thread). They said 1.5 moa was expected with 168 federal gold. Also that they get more accurate with more rounds in many cases. One other note there are lots of reports of 145 mfs ammo shooting very well in the RFB. It's cheap too. I have a couple packs to try out in mine. Seems the non brass casing gives more support to the bullet travel and or expansion of the case and increases accuracy. Cheap Russian ammo. Can't complain about that.
But I still stand behind what I've said about the RFB vs the other rifles. The RFB is in the perfect niche market for it. Kel-Tec was smart on that one. As I was an early adopter, I couldn't complain about the price for the above reasons. Now... well I haven't followed it. If you can get them brought in and enough people do this then I'm sure the prices will start to drop. The problem is the 24" version looks funny, and won't be more accurate. The regular 18" version is restricted. So still a monopoly here in Canada.
I agree, it was a handy package and would carry nice in heavy bush, if a bit heavy for that. That said, I have never hunted anywhere that a standard length rifle was much of a problem to carry, including some pretty thick stuff into the mountains. Why would the AR need the barrel length restrictions lifted? There is nothing wrong with an 18.5" or the standard 20" AR barrel. The ergonomics and control location on the AR is so much better for me that there is no way the shorter OAL compensates for it. Add in the fact that the AR trigger can be made very nice and it would be the clear winner as a hunting rifle for my uses, assuming the named restricted BS was eliminated.
Mark
I agree, not about the ar being a "vastly better rifle" but the fact that I would own an ar over pretty much any other black rifle if it was NR. I just forked over 2500 for an xcr and I love it but come on, I'm just trying to have an ar at the sand pits haha.
I'm embarrassed as a Canadian when people look in from the outside and see our a$$ backwards firearm laws/classifications. Must think it was written by inbreds.
OK, fair enough. If hunting was the goal, I wouldn't want much less than an 18" barrel, though, and I would just live with the OAL that gives me. Different strokes for different folks and all that.
Mark
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Guess not everyone can handle a man sized calibre
Wolverine is looking into a XCR-M pistol version to bring into Canada and pistol mags will be available with it.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-XCR-M-Pistol-Variant-(A-10-round-mag-thread)
I really like my RFB, it had its little quirks I had to work out initially but I think a lot of this had to do with me as I was just starting to get into gas piston rifles. I have an XCR-M and if someone asked me which I preferred I'd tell them the RFB strictly because the XCR-M is way to front heavy when shouldered and even though the RFB weighs close the the XCR-M it shoulders like its weighs half its actual weight.
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I had the money and the option to go with the RFB, I ended up going with the Tavor. I hadn't had a chance to handle either one before my purchase, however she is quite accurate... rock solid dependable and has realy nice handling.
Perhaps the RFB shares some of it's qualities... but being able to use LAR mags and other various mags is pretty nice.
7.62mm or 5.56mm... you got me there though... no debating that, but I can not see the RFB being as reliable as the Tavor after all I have read on both rifles. 240 rounds down range and no issues so far with the Tavor.
Perhaps the RFB shares some of it's qualities... but being able to use LAR mags and other various mags is pretty nice.
7.62mm or 5.56mm... you got me there though... no debating that, but I can not see the RFB being as reliable as the Tavor after all I have read on both rifles. 240 rounds down range and no issues so far with the Tavor.
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pfft. I would. Gas impingement plus girly caliber plus weight in the wrong place plus super long size (compared with RFB) means the AR platform is vastly inferior.
I hope you're not suggesting the Tavor. Hello? The RFB ejects the shell forward, and the recoil is adjustable. The engineering design of the RFB is brilliant and is a wonderful example of out-of-the-box thinking in a sport steeped in tradition.
