RFB or XCR-M?

it is not as easy to clear a stoppage...., but I think you have much less potential for stoppages with the action being much more closed off to dust/sand/debrise.

Flipping it upside down is just a matter of getting used to. It is less accessable for the fingers to get up in there.

overall the rfb is impressing me so far.
 
DARKSTANG said:
Lol,
I meant stoppages, too, by the way. Stupid autocorrect.
No, I'm just asking cause I don't know. If you have to turn it upside down, than that works for me.
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You know the rfb is mechanicly realt well made and I have jever herd of fte or double feed. The onlt thing iv heard failyer to feed eather due to undergassing( just need to turn the dail on the gas system) , mag not being seated proporly or crappy mag. Or cassing jaming in te shoot due to over gassing.

So once all your mags are proven ti work and your gas seting is dial in its preaty much a trouble free system!! The way the ejectors is designe its almost imposible to lose grip and leave a casing in the chamber.
 
rally guy said:
Yes, yes I did! As many have! Not for the recoil but for the muzzel lift! Its one of the more usefull mods on a cz to me, get back on target twice as fast. Lot more usefull then all the rest of the estetic crap people put on them like all the fabarm stuff!!

Also lot more usefull then guys putting it o. Ar's ;)
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Are you talking about the restricted version? :confused: Because the recoil and muzzle flip is pretty minimal with the non restricted version. I guess if you're trying to make it into some sort of competition rifle then it makes sense. Either way, I just haven't seen the need with the non restricted version. A little recoil makes you realize you're not shooting a 22LR. ;) .

I am debating putting one on my RFB though. There is muzzle flip with that rifle. I haven't decided yet with that one. I can get away without it, but may still go that route.
 
twoshots said:
it is not as easy to clear a stoppage...., but I think you have much less potential for stoppages with the action being much more closed off to dust/sand/debrise.

Flipping it upside down is just a matter of getting used to. It is less accessable for the fingers to get up in there.

overall the rfb is impressing me so far.
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It's impressed me as well.
 
Epoxy7 said:
Are you talking about the restricted version? :confused: Because the recoil and muzzle flip is pretty minimal with the non restricted version. I guess if you're trying to make it into some sort of competition rifle then it makes sense. Either way, I just haven't seen the need with the non restricted version. A little recoil makes you realize you're not shooting a 22LR. ;) .

I am debating putting one on my RFB though. There is muzzle flip with that rifle. I haven't decided yet with that one. I can get away without it, but may still go that route.
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Its the non restricted, I like it with it....... are you out east? Id let you try my rfb with the kel-tec brake. I do feel one would be hard press finding a better brake for the money.
 
DARKSTANG said:
So it's difficult to clear storages?
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Not really. But because you can't see into the chamber some feel it's more difficult. Tap, rack Tabernac. If that doesn't work, strip the mag, and tap rack tabernac again. Still a failure? Push out the pins and open the action to see what the issue is. Same as any other firearm. The only difference is you can't see a double feed. But clearing is the same. Also if you have to look in the chamber you can do so through the magwell. Not as easy but still not really a big deal.

I haven't had any issues yet.

As already mentioned the most likely causes of problems are mags, gas setting, and ammo including loading too long. Again the same as any other semi auto.

One thing to remember. After you're done shooting, rack the action to get the last empty into the ejection ramp. Otherwise the last brass will remain held by the ejector and you'll be in for a surprise later (although not dangerous). Then point forward and let the brass drop out. Keep the action open with the mag out and rifle tilted so the RO can see the open chamber. That's for ranges that allow you to keep your firearm at the bench during the green light/flag.

Once you get use to it, you realize a lot of the concerns are really non issues for this rifle. The common concerns such as shooting upwards and having the brass fall back into the action aren't possible with the design.
 
rally guy said:
Its the non restricted, I like it with it....... are you out east? Id let you try my rfb with the kel-tec brake. I do feel one would be hard press finding a better brake for the money.
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I'm out West. Thanks for the offer though.

By the way I also really like my CZ858. I held off buying one for a long time, but it gets more range time than most of my firearms. The thread and pin would make it very convenient for adding or taking off a brake. I'm fine with it in stock form, but I might give a brake a try on it some day.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I'm out West. Thanks for the offer though.

By the way I also really like my CZ858. I held off buying one for a long time, but it gets more range time than most of my firearms. The thread and pin would make it very convenient for adding or taking off a brake. I'm fine with it in stock form, but I might give a brake a try on it some day.
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Lets agree the cz recoil id almost non existing, whats there is only fun! You probably have!? But have you ever fire it with a beavy brake? I like it cause I find it double the aimable fire rate.
 
Epoxy7 said:
Not really. But because you can't see into the chamber some feel it's more difficult. Tap, rack Tabernac. If that doesn't work, strip the mag, and tap rack tabernac again. Still a failure? Push out the pins and open the action to see what the issue is. Same as any other firearm. The only difference is you can't see a double feed. But clearing is the same. Also if you have to look in the chamber you can do so through the magwell. Not as easy but still not really a big deal.

I haven't had any issues yet.

As already mentioned the most likely causes of problems are mags, gas setting, and ammo including loading too long. Again the same as any other semi auto.

One thing to remember. After you're done shooting, rack the action to get the last empty into the ejection ramp. Otherwise the last brass will remain held by the ejector and you'll be in for a surprise later (although not dangerous). Then point forward and let the brass drop out. Keep the action open with the mag out and rifle tilted so the RO can see the open chamber. That's for ranges that allow you to keep your firearm at the bench during the green light/flag.

Once you get use to it, you realize a lot of the concerns are really non issues for this rifle. The common concerns such as shooting upwards and having the brass fall back into the action aren't possible with the design.
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"Tap, rack Tabernac"
That's cool. Lol! I'm liking hiw this rifle is rating with you guys. I've got 2 of my modified AR's on the trading block on the EE right now and I've added the RFB as one of my trades. You guys make me feel confident about a trade for one.
 
Me my biggest let down about the rfb is I didnt get to see pbrstreetgang dual well is two DS RFB befor he sold them!
 
Dont get me wrong I do like the xcr but all the negative , bad customer service and loctite crises kep me away

Now wen I hear this I think xcr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
rally guy said:
Dont get me wrong I do like the xcr but all the negative , bad customer service and loctite crises kep me away

Now wen I hear this I think xcr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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It's like any other rifle/gun. They all have their problems. As far as the loctite thing, I haven't ever used loctite on mine and im over a thousand rounds now. Plus I'm doing the 7.62x39 which rocks harder than the. 223 and it's never been a problem. I find the biggest thing is you have people with enough knowledge to be dangerous messing with the gas system settings and adding things they shouldn't. Plus let's not forget how ammo plays a huge part on this too. No doubt there is a ton of guns that are made on a Friday afternoon at 5 minutes before quiting time. Lol! My bad luck has lead me to see many problems with even the best manufacturers. I've spoken with Alex Robinson on the phone before and he's not hard to get a hold of. He does anything in his power to help you. Not that I had a problem, I was looking for my FAST stock at the time. He found me one in conjuction with the great people at Wolverine.

I see the benefits of both but because I have an XCR-L, already, I would be more leaning the other way. So I can have everything of course.
 
DARKSTANG said:
It's like any other rifle/gun. They all have their problems. As far as the loctite thing, I haven't ever used loctite on mine and im over a thousand rounds now. Plus I'm doing the 7.62x39 which rocks harder than the. 223 and it's never been a problem. I find the biggest thing is you have people with enough knowledge to be dangerous messing with the gas system settings and adding things they shouldn't. Plus let's not forget how ammo plays a huge part on this too. No doubt there is a ton of guns that are made on a Friday afternoon at 5 minutes before quiting time. Lol! My bad luck has lead me to see many problems with even the best manufacturers. I've spoken with Alex Robinson on the phone before and he's not hard to get a hold of. He does anything in his power to help you. Not that I had a problem, I was looking for my FAST stock at the time. He found me one in conjuction with the great people at Wolverine.

I see the benefits of both but because I have an XCR-L, already, I would be more leaning the other way. So I can have everything of course.
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I am happy you had a great xcr experience has that is what I wish to all my fellow cgnutters....
 
rally guy said:
I am happy you had a great xcr experience has that is what I wish to all my fellow cgnutters....
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I would hope so!
Lol.

That said, I'm hoping I get a chance to have both, but I doubt my wife would see things my way. Of course she does like those Jimmie Chew(Chu, whatever they're called)shoes. Easy trade off.
 
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